Card idea: Scent the Undead

inferior is unbelievably strong. Like this, stackable, and in clan with access to multiacting and stealth, it is too much.

Not to mention that removing it is horribly difficult

Ankha wrote:

I don't know. 1/ it's a bleed for 1 2/ the card is put on the minion only if the action is successful 3/ the vampire can burn all the copies on him anytime by going to torpor (which can be done during the controller's turn for immediate rescue). 4/ only vampires with protean have a +bleed, meaning they probably won't have a big ousting discipline.

I don't necessarily want to wait until my turn before I burn this, though. If I can get several of these going in a single turn, I can hit you for a lot. And with a small deck, burn-option cards and twister tech (including the obvious Ashur), it's not all that difficult to get a few of these at once, then switch to something that doesn't require my prey to have a ready vampire if necessary. If you can get 3 off with 4 vamps out, that's a bleed for 1, then 2, then 3, then 4

And, of course, I've played Fame on the target. Don't want to be bled for four? Take a hit of three pool instead.

Also, there's plenty of scope for Madness Network out-of-turn decks. Like the Rotschreck decks of old. If I'm doing this in my grand-prey's minion phase, my grand-predator's minion phase, my predator's minion phase and my turn, is that fun for you? You go to torpor, I rescue you and force you to pay. Or I eat you, depending on whether you have another vampire for me to screw with.


If the 'correct' defence is then never to have a vampire out against the deck so it jams, that's bad design. Potentially good play by the player, but bad design by the designer - we shouldn't be encouraging people not to play the game.

FrançoisV wrote:

Am I reading your idea wrong or is the inferior version a superior Madman's Quill on steroids, for a non-bleed discipline ?

Not completely "on steroid", because it can be deflected, burned before the next bleed, and it's more easily removed cross-table.

Which point to another problem : it screw people without redirection even harder than before.

The third problem being that a pro / dom deck will also love this card a lot. The supposed disavantadge is that you bleed usually for one, then the card is removed. But if you bleed for 3/4 with conditioning, or use Bonding to stealth it, or something, it begin to be even more maddening.

In short : limit to one, add a blood cost, and maybe keep the actionless remove but with something a bit less violent (burn 2 blood ? succesfully hunt ?)

Ankha wrote:

No, correct defense is to block and have some little fight.

Little fight/block does not stop Form of Mist. Why do you assume that Bruise/bleed is the best use of this card?