Submission - Cathedral of Flesh (master Tzimisce crypt accelerator)

Dr.Mafrune wrote:

stop trolling my comments. Everytime I write some argument you just say the opposite without thinking to deeply about it.

Well, generally it's the one who start calling the other name the troll.

Dr.Mafrune wrote:

Last argument you don¡t mention by any means my full argument. The first version costing a blood YOU DONT HAVE TO DEFEND IT, because sooner or later it will get the counters. This for only ONE POOL. ONE, REPEAT,ONE. and one crypt card. How the hell can you try to convince me that the d burning counter effect is an acceptable balance to get a munchkin card-mix of a giants + information highway ????

You're authorized to read my comments, like the very first one that state blood on it should be burned by 3 at least.

And the effect of the card is extremely overevalued by you. More on this later.

Dr.Mafrune wrote:

...............because most decks pack at least three unantural disaster, so being a location is an incredible risk.............

You're authorized to read arguments. Anti location are uncommon, but versatile (after all, Information highway, Parthenon, intercpt location, Cantry, etc, are all powerful locations)

Dr.Mafrune wrote:

Second argument. Please, this is a bad joke. Crossburning the location ?? Your supposed allies try to burn it ??? Wake up, this is master is not a smiling jack. Tzimisce normal deck can defend montreal, rack etc explane me why, by jesus sake, would they be unable to defend this card ????

You take crosstable ally way too literally. Exactly like Smiling Jack, everybody will want to see this gone, for the same reason : it give way too much power to the one who have it. Yes, Meshenka for free is exactly as many bad news as a 3- or 4-token Smiling Jack.

Yes, it will make people waste action to get it instead of ousting their prey, and I suppose it's design intent.

Dr.Mafrune wrote:

If you like to be contrarian, at least make solid arguments.

Period are not strong arguments either.

Sarcasm apart, we're talking of a second minion for free somewhere between the turn 5 and 7 at best, so mid-game. If you draw it very early in the game, and have both a weenie (to get turn 2 or 3), and a bigcap, both tzimisces.

And to draw early it early in a 60-card deck, we're looking at 5-6 copy. Of an unique, non-trifle master. For this kind of master investment, people alredy can have 2-3 inner circle on mid game, and inner circle tend to be significantly better than bigcap tzimisces.

It is still pretty powerful, don't get me wrong on that. But be scandalized by its power level ? Information Highway exist. Villein exist (it's why Ankha propose that the vampire only get 4 blood and not full blood, in case you didn't see).

Lastly, re-read your "correction". You would have trouble to find something more useless than a 4-pool investment that somebody else can trash for you, aong with a card in the uncontrolled region.

No. From the thematic, I don¡t think the vampire can come half-blooded to the game from the cathedral.

Maybe the solution is the need of tzimisce actions or blood or sacrified minions or retainers to work well.
For example: Any tzimisce can take a +1 stealth action that cost 1 blood to put 3 or 4 pool on the vampire with the cathedral from the blood bank. Addionally the cathedral could give one pool free every turn.

To be honest, I was trying to tinker a version were you put it on a vampire, that allow hom to burn vampire he sent to torpor (he incorpore them to the cathedral), and that give bonus once enough thing are eaten.

It has the problem that a permanent that give an integrated decapitate is alway way too powerful (or at least annoying to play against), and even more with Chiroptean marauder.

I think that the second version lends itself to too much Villein abuse: bring out Meshenka, Villein to 0, Cathedral another Meshenka, ending up with a vampire that costs 1 at full capacity. I prefer the first version.

Think of the second version as a Get Out of Pentex free card instead....