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07 Nov 2012 09:42 - 07 Nov 2012 09:43 #40491
by Ankha
Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master) was created by Ankha
Name: Pentex Intrusion
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Master: trifle.
Put this card into play. When blood moves from a minion to a Methuselah's pool, half the blood (round down) goes to the blood bank. You may burn this card during your influence phase to gain 1 transfer.
(This isn't meant to be cumulative. Multiple copies of the card states the same thing: that you get only half the pool. Like stating multiple times (with multiple Torn Signpost) that a vampire's strength is set to 3.)
Flavor text: "Big Brother is Watching You." George Orwell, 1984
Art notes: A Ventrue in an office room, pulling from the wall a hidden wire that runs vertically to some hidden spying device. Some plaster is torn from the wall in the process. The Ventrue seems extremely upset.
World of Darkness reference: A Guide to Pentex
How does this card address a compelling game need?: Without affecting Blood Doll or Vessel, the card is meant to counter the Villen abuse that gives you 11-cap vampires for free. Pool management is now too easy and leads to massive pool gain that leads to time-limits. Inspired also by Extrala's post: vtesone.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/fattie-deck-building-template-modern-style/
Created by: Ankha
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Master: trifle.
Put this card into play. When blood moves from a minion to a Methuselah's pool, half the blood (round down) goes to the blood bank. You may burn this card during your influence phase to gain 1 transfer.
(This isn't meant to be cumulative. Multiple copies of the card states the same thing: that you get only half the pool. Like stating multiple times (with multiple Torn Signpost) that a vampire's strength is set to 3.)
Flavor text: "Big Brother is Watching You." George Orwell, 1984
Art notes: A Ventrue in an office room, pulling from the wall a hidden wire that runs vertically to some hidden spying device. Some plaster is torn from the wall in the process. The Ventrue seems extremely upset.
World of Darkness reference: A Guide to Pentex
How does this card address a compelling game need?: Without affecting Blood Doll or Vessel, the card is meant to counter the Villen abuse that gives you 11-cap vampires for free. Pool management is now too easy and leads to massive pool gain that leads to time-limits. Inspired also by Extrala's post: vtesone.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/fattie-deck-building-template-modern-style/
Created by: Ankha
Last edit: 07 Nov 2012 09:43 by Ankha.
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07 Nov 2012 09:56 #40495
by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master)
I do like the idea, but the current card is next to costless. It's a good thing for me, but it may be argued it should be an errata to game rule or to thoses card more than anything else.
(as an aside, the post that inspired you is both sarcastic and so very true)
(as an aside, the post that inspired you is both sarcastic and so very true)
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07 Nov 2012 12:09 #40510
by Kiddo
Replied by Kiddo on topic Re: Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master)
Eh, it also hoses Minion Taps (I've seen them being used again lately), and this game does not need that. It also hoses two Blood Dolls or two Vessels on the same vamp...
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07 Nov 2012 12:28 #40512
by Ohlmann
Quite frankly, hosing just villein would be stupid, so nerfing minion tap along is more or less mandatory. It may be argued that there is the good minion tap/villein usage and the bad minion tap/villein spam, which this card does not distinguish.
Maybe "blood over 4" instead of "half" ?
I don't think so, because two transfer of one still net you 2 blood.
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master)
Eh, it also hoses Minion Taps (I've seen them being used again lately) and this game does not need that.
Quite frankly, hosing just villein would be stupid, so nerfing minion tap along is more or less mandatory. It may be argued that there is the good minion tap/villein usage and the bad minion tap/villein spam, which this card does not distinguish.
Maybe "blood over 4" instead of "half" ?
It also hoses two Blood Dolls or two Vessels on the same vamp...
I don't think so, because two transfer of one still net you 2 blood.
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07 Nov 2012 12:32 #40513
by johannes
Replied by johannes on topic Re: Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master)
Just a word of caution: the general design principal for VEKN released cardss is to create enablers not hosers. If something is broken it needs banning, not hosing through silver bullets

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07 Nov 2012 12:48 #40514
by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master)
A way to make the card more interesting may be to rewrite it this way :
Name: Pentex Intrusion
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Master: trifle.
Put this card into play. When blood moves from a minion to a Methuselah's pool, for each blood the methuselah must remove the top card from its ash heap from play or burn 1 pool. You may burn this card during your influence phase to gain 1 transfer.
So, "regular" blood cycling should have all the card it need to power its blood recycling, and people who try to put 4 inner circle in play with the same 11 pool will have to actually play a lot of card to retrieve all that blood.
"top card" to avoid the card needing too much time for every villein.
It will impact a bit Ashur Tablet, but if you play Ashur tablet and are not greedy about pool cycling, it should be doable.
(of course, it's still a bit of a silver bullet. But it's a silver bullet that can be used to promote agressive play - after all, the best way to fill your ash heap is to play card - and the agression it generate can help the player manipulate the table the way he need it)
Name: Pentex Intrusion
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Master: trifle.
Put this card into play. When blood moves from a minion to a Methuselah's pool, for each blood the methuselah must remove the top card from its ash heap from play or burn 1 pool. You may burn this card during your influence phase to gain 1 transfer.
So, "regular" blood cycling should have all the card it need to power its blood recycling, and people who try to put 4 inner circle in play with the same 11 pool will have to actually play a lot of card to retrieve all that blood.
"top card" to avoid the card needing too much time for every villein.
It will impact a bit Ashur Tablet, but if you play Ashur tablet and are not greedy about pool cycling, it should be doable.
(of course, it's still a bit of a silver bullet. But it's a silver bullet that can be used to promote agressive play - after all, the best way to fill your ash heap is to play card - and the agression it generate can help the player manipulate the table the way he need it)
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