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07 Nov 2012 22:58 #40558
by Reyda
Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
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Love those gentlemen discussionThe ship may have set sail long ago, but it could return to port.

Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
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08 Nov 2012 01:15 #40560
by Juggernaut1981




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@AaronC:
Because I really object to the ruling on "move" made by LSJ regarding Villein. The words "Move", "Steal" and "Transfer" are not used consistently on minion cards.
The idea behind Villein seems to be to have the Methuselah remove 2+ blood. So why should the minion be allowed to have less than 2 blood?
Because I really object to the ruling on "move" made by LSJ regarding Villein. The words "Move", "Steal" and "Transfer" are not used consistently on minion cards.
The idea behind Villein seems to be to have the Methuselah remove 2+ blood. So why should the minion be allowed to have less than 2 blood?





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08 Nov 2012 04:49 - 08 Nov 2012 04:54 #40570
by AaronC
I would change it to "Move 4 (or 5, whatever) blood from this vampire to your pool", not "up to 4 blood". This is a trifle representing an elder vampire sucking down some younger blood quickly - you shouldn't get to choose how much you take.
If you must move 4 (or whatever), then there's no reason to stick with an "at least 2" concept. Obviously if you try to move 4 and the vampire has less than 4, you can only move as many counters as the vampire has. I think it's okay to suck the vampire dry or even fail to get any off the vampire at all. The modified effect isn't as good as normal Villein, so it shouldn't be hard to cycle.
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@AaronC:
Because I really object to the ruling on "move" made by LSJ regarding Villein. The words "Move", "Steal" and "Transfer" are not used consistently on minion cards.
The idea behind Villein seems to be to have the Methuselah remove 2+ blood. So why should the minion be allowed to have less than 2 blood?
I would change it to "Move 4 (or 5, whatever) blood from this vampire to your pool", not "up to 4 blood". This is a trifle representing an elder vampire sucking down some younger blood quickly - you shouldn't get to choose how much you take.
If you must move 4 (or whatever), then there's no reason to stick with an "at least 2" concept. Obviously if you try to move 4 and the vampire has less than 4, you can only move as many counters as the vampire has. I think it's okay to suck the vampire dry or even fail to get any off the vampire at all. The modified effect isn't as good as normal Villein, so it shouldn't be hard to cycle.
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08 Nov 2012 14:19 #40645
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master)
If you play a gr4-5 toreador deck and you need an ic, he's ok. Alexandra is better but they're not the same group.
Give me an example of a vampire that wouldn't be played if Villein was banned.
My guess would be Rafael de Corazon. He's not good enough for a star 11-cap, and is playable because he really cost more along the line of 3-5 pool.
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08 Nov 2012 14:25 #40647
by Ankha
- Govern down (like in my Stanislava deck) /EK/ Founders
- blood doll/vessel
- grooming the protege
Minion Tap and Villein are not required, except if you plan to play a crypt full of 10+ cap which is what I want to avoid
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Submission - Pentex Intrusion (Villein-hoser master)
Sure, but there are other options:The reality is, if you play anything bigger than, say, 6 caps, you NEED some way to get the pool back off of your vampires because otherwise you are just going to get ousted by dementation or Vignes. It's simply not optional and will never be as long as 2-caps can bleed for 5. .
- Govern down (like in my Stanislava deck) /EK/ Founders
- blood doll/vessel
- grooming the protege
Minion Tap and Villein are not required, except if you plan to play a crypt full of 10+ cap which is what I want to avoid
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