City Struggles, a whole new way of playing V:TES
03 Feb 2013 20:44 #44802
by kombainas
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Replied by kombainas on topic Re: City Struggles, a whole new way of playing V:TES
I think you should model in your mind how this works with existing vote modifiers. Adding bewitching orations or bribes would usually win PAs, but Voter Caps become unreliable, killing most of political poolgain. Just saying, think about it.
Maybe you could just ban PAs from the player decks and add some into middle deck, so everyone would know there will always be a PA to be played and won. Suddenly all decks would become political some without even having to change a thing!
Also, I think you should add more titles (non-unique too) in the spirit of SHeriff, but supporting other angles of decks, eg. removing votes from harpy and adding +1 intercept instead. Or something in a spirit of Legendary vampire:
Illegal Immigrant
Master, 1 pool
Put this card on a non-titled minion put into play during your last influence phase. This minion get +1 stealth on non-PA actions. Burn this card and move 1 blood from this vampire to <Prince of London> if this minion is blocked, enters combat or gets a <London> title.
Maybe you could just ban PAs from the player decks and add some into middle deck, so everyone would know there will always be a PA to be played and won. Suddenly all decks would become political some without even having to change a thing!
Also, I think you should add more titles (non-unique too) in the spirit of SHeriff, but supporting other angles of decks, eg. removing votes from harpy and adding +1 intercept instead. Or something in a spirit of Legendary vampire:
Illegal Immigrant
Master, 1 pool
Put this card on a non-titled minion put into play during your last influence phase. This minion get +1 stealth on non-PA actions. Burn this card and move 1 blood from this vampire to <Prince of London> if this minion is blocked, enters combat or gets a <London> title.





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06 Feb 2013 20:05 - 06 Feb 2013 20:44 #44908
by Eius P
Replied by Eius P on topic Re: City Struggles, a whole new way of playing V:TES
I understand (and am ok with) that the central deck will be much better for certain deck types e.g. good for many mid-cap untitled vampires, potentially bad for decks counting on voter cap. This is supposed to be a scenario to make a deck specifically for, rather than an added twist to normal games.
It's going to be quite tricky to work out the right balance of the central deck. I fear I'm trying to do too much but I'm really keen to create a scenario that really will give the proper feel of Camarilla conflict within a city. Including a mix of political actions and the deck in general... I think there's just too much to get my head round. I think the only way to get the balance right will be playtesting.
I like the illegal immigrant idea and since you suggested more titles I raided my V:tM books and have come up with the following:
Keeper of Elysium
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
Burn one pool if this vampire enters combat with another Camarilla vampire as the acting minion. During your untap phase gain control of Hamlet Court if it is in play and not controlled by you.
Seneschal
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
This vampire may play cards as if he/she were the Prince of London.
Hound
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Sheriff of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
This vampire may enter combat with another minion as an action that costs one blood. Burn this card after the action if the opposing minion held a London title. Burn this card if no controlled minion holds the title of Sheriff.
Herald
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
The Methuselah with this card may play tradition cards from his own ash heap, such cards are placed at the bottom of the methuselah’s library once played or cancelled.
Chancellor
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on an untitled Camarilla vampire.
The Methuselah with this card may remove a boon card in their ash heap from the game to play another boon card from their ash. (Place in the ash heap after use as usual)
Whip
Master. Trifle.
Requires a Primogen of London. Title. Unique per clan.
Place this card on an untitled Camarilla vampire you control, of the same clan.
Tap this card to change the votes of an untitled or (non-Prince) London-titled vampire of the same clan to mimic those of the ready London Primogen of the same clan (for/against/abstain).
Kindred Resources Contested
Political Action
Choose a Methuselah. Successful referendum means the chosen Methuselah burns two pool, three pool if they do not control a ready vampire with a London title.
Also a host of London specific locations...
Note that there are no requirements for playing these, though some have extra abilities if you control vampires of specific clans while they are in play.
New Scotland Yard
Master. London location.
Tap to burn a non-unique weapon controlled by your prey
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
West End hunting ground
Master. London location.
Tap to give a Ventrue/Toreador/Tremere with two or more blood an additional blood form the blood bank
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
East End hunting ground
Master. London location.
Tap to give a Malkavian/Brujah/Nosferatu with two or more blood an additional blood form the blood bank
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Metropolitan Magazine
Master. London location.
Toreador: Tap to burn an uncontested copy of fame.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Bethlem Royal Hospital
Master. London location.
Malkavian: Tap to give a Malkavian superior Dementation for the current action.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Vauxhall Arches
Master. London location.
Nosferatu: Tap give a Nosferatu +1 intercept.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Hamlet Court. Elysium
Master. London location.
Tap to cancel combat between two Camarilla vampires with London titles.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
British Library
Master. London location.
Tremere: Tap to reduce every other Methuselah’s votes by one for the current referendum.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Hyde Park
Master. London location.
Gangrel: Tap to allow a Gangrel you control to enter combat with a non-titled vampire.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Somerset House
Master. London location.
Brujah: tap to gain two votes, only usable during your own turn
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Palace of Westminster
Master. London location.
Ventrue: Tap to gain two votes, not usable during your own turn
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Now that's a lot of potential cards. Good in that there's plenty of variety and not anything in particular that players can plan for. Bad in that there will be a lot of new cards and some cards are too wordy.
I think the central deck should only have three cards in play not five, that should partly cut down the reading.
It's going to be quite tricky to work out the right balance of the central deck. I fear I'm trying to do too much but I'm really keen to create a scenario that really will give the proper feel of Camarilla conflict within a city. Including a mix of political actions and the deck in general... I think there's just too much to get my head round. I think the only way to get the balance right will be playtesting.
I like the illegal immigrant idea and since you suggested more titles I raided my V:tM books and have come up with the following:
Keeper of Elysium
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
Burn one pool if this vampire enters combat with another Camarilla vampire as the acting minion. During your untap phase gain control of Hamlet Court if it is in play and not controlled by you.
Seneschal
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
This vampire may play cards as if he/she were the Prince of London.
Hound
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Sheriff of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
This vampire may enter combat with another minion as an action that costs one blood. Burn this card after the action if the opposing minion held a London title. Burn this card if no controlled minion holds the title of Sheriff.
Herald
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on any untitled Camarilla vampire.
The Methuselah with this card may play tradition cards from his own ash heap, such cards are placed at the bottom of the methuselah’s library once played or cancelled.
Chancellor
Master. Trifle.
Requires the Prince of London. Title.
Place this card on an untitled Camarilla vampire.
The Methuselah with this card may remove a boon card in their ash heap from the game to play another boon card from their ash. (Place in the ash heap after use as usual)
Whip
Master. Trifle.
Requires a Primogen of London. Title. Unique per clan.
Place this card on an untitled Camarilla vampire you control, of the same clan.
Tap this card to change the votes of an untitled or (non-Prince) London-titled vampire of the same clan to mimic those of the ready London Primogen of the same clan (for/against/abstain).
Kindred Resources Contested
Political Action
Choose a Methuselah. Successful referendum means the chosen Methuselah burns two pool, three pool if they do not control a ready vampire with a London title.
Also a host of London specific locations...
Note that there are no requirements for playing these, though some have extra abilities if you control vampires of specific clans while they are in play.
New Scotland Yard
Master. London location.
Tap to burn a non-unique weapon controlled by your prey
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
West End hunting ground
Master. London location.
Tap to give a Ventrue/Toreador/Tremere with two or more blood an additional blood form the blood bank
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
East End hunting ground
Master. London location.
Tap to give a Malkavian/Brujah/Nosferatu with two or more blood an additional blood form the blood bank
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Metropolitan Magazine
Master. London location.
Toreador: Tap to burn an uncontested copy of fame.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Bethlem Royal Hospital
Master. London location.
Malkavian: Tap to give a Malkavian superior Dementation for the current action.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Vauxhall Arches
Master. London location.
Nosferatu: Tap give a Nosferatu +1 intercept.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Hamlet Court. Elysium
Master. London location.
Tap to cancel combat between two Camarilla vampires with London titles.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
British Library
Master. London location.
Tremere: Tap to reduce every other Methuselah’s votes by one for the current referendum.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Hyde Park
Master. London location.
Gangrel: Tap to allow a Gangrel you control to enter combat with a non-titled vampire.
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Somerset House
Master. London location.
Brujah: tap to gain two votes, only usable during your own turn
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Palace of Westminster
Master. London location.
Ventrue: Tap to gain two votes, not usable during your own turn
Tap and pass control of this location to another Methuselah to force a non-Prince Camarilla vampire they control to vote as you wish, this can change their votes, only one London location may alter a vampires votes each action.
Now that's a lot of potential cards. Good in that there's plenty of variety and not anything in particular that players can plan for. Bad in that there will be a lot of new cards and some cards are too wordy.
I think the central deck should only have three cards in play not five, that should partly cut down the reading.
Last edit: 06 Feb 2013 20:44 by Eius P.
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