Brainstorming a New Sabbat Political Action

As seen on

vekn.net/index.php/forum/30-expansion-sets-a-card-ideas/43204-confiscation-sabbat-parity-shift

some of us came to a conclusion that, compared to the other sects, the Sabbat is really lacking in terms of good political actions it has that are unique to them.

With that in mind, I thought about making a new topic where we can all throw ideas around about creating some new and powerful Political Action for the Sabbat.

Be it completed card ideas, or simple mechanics, just give it a shot!


anyway, I'll start with a idea I had in the first thread. I first tought about it when Veles' Hunt was released, with the drawback of not being usable again if the action fails. I expanded the Idea by making a powerful sabbat vote card with a heavy drawback to the vampire who calls it IF the action fails. I thought this could fit the sabbat flavor well, with their tendencies on punishing failure harshly and brutally, while also allowing more aggressive tatics than the masquerade enforcing camarilla. Anyway, that's the card I created last thread, but I feel the mechanic could be used in a number of different vote cards.

Confiscation
Political Action
Requires a Cardinal or Regent, 2 Blood
Choose a Methuselah. You steal X pool from the chosen Methuselah where X is one third (rounded up) of the capacity of the acting vampire. The acting vampire may not play action modifiers which will give blood or pool during this action. If this referendum fails or is canceled, the acting vampire takes 2 aggravated damage.

Im confused by math. Does Sha-ennu take 4?
Also, sabbat votes shouldnt be like cam votes. They do alot differently. Maybe burning mortals to do pool damage, making 4 1 cap pander vamps that must act before any other vampires and must act each turn and burn if they arein torpor during your untap. Or getting + stealth on all diablery actions against older vsmpires .

How about something like this.

Aggressive Assault
Political Action
Requires a titled sabbat vampire.
If this referendum is succesful, your prey burns X pool, where X is the number of ready, untapped sabbat vampires you control. A methuselah can play only one Aggressive Assault each turn.

Klaital wrote:

How about something like this.

Aggressive Assault
Political Action
Requires a titled sabbat vampire.
If this referendum is succesful, your prey burns X pool, where X is the number of ready, untapped sabbat vampires you control. A methuselah can play only one Aggressive Assault each turn.

Do nothing with only one vampire, and need three to do something worthwhile. It will help breed decks, but not much else. And because Lasombra have Power Structure, I fear that Lasombra breed became a bit ridiculous with that.

Ohlmann wrote:

Do nothing with only one vampire, and need three to do something worthwhile. It will help breed decks, but not much else. And because Lasombra have Power Structure, I fear that Lasombra breed became a bit ridiculous with that.

I agree - 95% of decks are better off playing KRC than this.

How about some political action that stays in the game, but can be voted off? I'm thinking perhaps an effect like Warsaw Station or Command Performance (with it being unique while in play, of course). Even something like political Rutor's Hand (with a cost of, perhaps 3), with one per vamp, would be perhaps interesting and quite useful.

Whatever of whatever
Type: Political Action
Requires a titled Sabbat vampire (or disallow Bishops)

If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. Tap Whatever of whatever during your minion phase to untap a ready titled Sabbat vampire you control. Any vampire may call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action. You may only have one Whatever in game (or perhaps there can be only one Whatever in the game)

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Im confused by math. Does Sha-ennu take 4?
Also, sabbat votes shouldnt be like cam votes. They do alot differently. Maybe burning mortals to do pool damage, making 4 1 cap pander vamps that must act before any other vampires and must act each turn and burn if they arein torpor during your untap. Or getting + stealth on all diablery actions against older vsmpires .

yeah, for clarification proposes it goes like this:
cap 10-11: 4 pool
cap 7-9: 3 pool
cap 4-6: 2 pool
cap 1-3: 1 pool

but all in all, I don't think a parity shift like card would be what the sabbat need. I just posted this to illustrate what kind of drawback I was thinking about.

I like your idea of making baby vampires with a vote. It could match the flavor of Shock Troops without, you know, actually sucking. How about something like this:

Swarm Tatics
+1 stealth politcal action
Called by any Arcebishop, Cardinal, Priscus or Regent
If this referendum is sucessfull put 2 cards from your graveyard into play. They become two 1-capacity non-unique vampires. If the acting vampires was a Regent, put three cards instead. Choose one disciplice for each vampire created this way. The chosen vampire has 1 level of the chosen discipline, and can enter combat with a minion controlled by another methuselah as a action. This vampire must bleed your prey or enter combat with another minion this turn, unless he needs to hunt. This vampire may move any amount of blood from him to any of this vampires when they enter play. Burn this vampires during your next untap phase. If this referendum fails or is canceled the acting vampire takes 2 unpreventable damage (3 damage if he is a regent).