[Submission] Cannibal (Nagaraja ghoul)

Ankha wrote:

Franz wrote:

if you make a combat oriented deck you can easily have a 4 point bleeder while removing most of your prey's potential blockers.

Is it stronger than playing Fame and rescuing/torporizing the vampire?

That's a question ? Fame + rescue/torpor is 2 actions for 3 pool damage and 2 blood (which admitelly can be from the rescued). It's just above bleeding for 1 in efficiency. This card not only quickly do better than that, but it can be used to oust someone without having to torporize a minion first.

Ankha wrote:

Franz wrote:

if you make a combat oriented deck you can easily have a 4 point bleeder while removing most of your prey's potential blockers.

Is it stronger than playing Fame and rescuing/torporizing the vampire?

Potentially, yes.

The ally is non-unique, so you can put quite a few in your deck. It doesn't compete for a master slot. It persists between Methuselahs (when I oust you, Fame does not pop to my grand-prey). If an opponent goes to torpor empty, I would have to pay blood to rescue them - on a table with vampires on low-medium blood in the mid-game, you might well find yourself torporising vampires with zero or one blood left. If I play Fame on Arika, you might block my rush with Rufina Soledad. If you send Arika to torpor with Fame, I do not immediately have her go poof - diablerie or outright burning both generally require reasonably significant extra risk (the bloodhunt) or effort.

Ankha wrote:

Franz wrote:

if you make a combat oriented deck you can easily have a 4 point bleeder while removing most of your prey's potential blockers.

Is it stronger than playing Fame and rescuing/torporizing the vampire?

Yes, it's way stronger as other pointed out.

The more I think about it, the more insanely overpowered this card seems to me. Most of the cards that let you burn a vampire with blood in torpor come with heavy opportunity cost (e.g. amaranth, needs to be in combat and there is a blood hunt afterwards) or need an action in order to do it (Gregory, Tye Cooper). Keep in mind if you ping an Arika full of blood for 1 agg, cancel her defense card (via Asguresh as people have already mentioned) and then use this ally you just cost another metusellah 11 pool for the cost of gaining +1 bleed on your ally.

Yeah, I'm call retardelly overpowered on this one. Not that I don't like the idea of a non-action way to deal with torporized minions, but you gotta balance it some

Ankha wrote:

You can't simply stop there and count 2 actions. Either you rush once and do 3 pool damage, or you rush once, rescue once and rush a second time for 6 pool damage.
Otherwise, you could throw in a few usless hunt actions to say "hey, it requires 6 actions to do a 3 pool damage!".

You can still play fame with cannibal. The value of fame is 3 pool damage in 1 master phase action, not the ping pong.

The ping pong is strictly 2 actions for 3 pools. The first 3 damage is done regardless of cannibal or not

Ankha wrote:

No, the real strong part is being able to burn a vampire without taking any action (like Carlton, but his requirement is a bit more complicated as it involves the victim to do a diablerie first). I'm more concerned by Baltimore Purge.

Well, an ally that bleed for 2/3 for 1 blood is quite a bargain. It's certainly far superior to Fame ping pong.

Ankha wrote:

It could be tweaked to something like:

Name: Cannibal
Clan: Nagaraja
Cardtype: Ally
Cost: 1 blood
Ghoul with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed.
When a vampire with no blood would go to torpor, you can tap the Cannibal and burn that vampire instead to put a soul counter on the Cannibal. Cannibal gets +1 bleed for each soul counter on him.

Better, but too much crematorium-like for my taste. I rest on the idea that it should be a retainer that can be tapped when its employer send a vampire in torpor in combat.