Some ideas I had would like some opinions

Anyone thinking James is off his rocker here fan look at g2 samedi decks running deflections just because the Baron has little dominate. Its legit, it works, it enables things and kinda has HUGE meta impact globally, which isnt good.
Lilliths should return as a skill card fetcher. Im 127% behind that.

But no way in hell should it be a default action. It kinda is, just eat bigger vamps, run skill cards, and survive bloodhunts. Thats gotta be enough.

Changing things like that arent really smart. Changing trifle rules to not kill them if we limit masters could work.

i'm one of those players guilty of splashing dominate in decks just for deflection, only if have no other viable defense against bleeds. i personally think bounce should've been democratized all along, just like how every vampire can play wake and delaying tactics. and concealed weapon to protect themselves with guns.

it's not dominate that's popular, it's deflection. not every deck needs dominate's +bleed abilities, but every deck is better with bounce. you don't even need superior dominate to make it good, so bring along those weenies.

same goes for freak drive. but a 2cap with is not the same as a 2cap with .... (more on this later)

anyway, i defend the discipline fetch as not breaking the game because players are already loathe to tooling up actions without an untap. the default go anarch action, equipping without magic of the smith.... even hunting is largely seen as inefficient without some bonus effect attached. so i find it less likely that players will fetch dominate on all their vampires just because they can, since it's easier to rebuild the crypt for that. dominate-splashing will probably not rise too much in popularity.

the real problem would be fetching fortitude skill cards since it immediately gives access to freak drive. for this reason it needs the right price, maybe 2 blood or so. if you pay 3 blood (including 1 for freak drive) to get fortitude on your bigcap vampire, that's 3 pool you're not getting back with villein, right?

I dont play like 60% of vampires with capacity over 6 due to lack of foritude, so while id personally gain from skl fetching, i dont feel its good for the game.
If almost say any vamp should be able to fetch an in clan dicsipline as an action though. So some vamps (Angus, Adonai, kikiyoan,Titus, etc) can get big of inclans, and vamps like Horrock, mata hari, Iliana, Blaise, Kyoko, etc can get inclans they disnt get printed with.

And its balanced.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

I dont play like 60% of vampires with capacity over 6 due to lack of foritude, so while id personally gain from skl fetching, i dont feel its good for the game.
If almost say any vamp should be able to fetch an in clan dicsipline as an action though. So some vamps (Angus, Adonai, kikiyoan,Titus, etc) can get big of inclans, and vamps like Horrock, mata hari, Iliana, Blaise, Kyoko, etc can get inclans they disnt get printed with.

And its balanced.

Should we add a list of in-clans next to each clan in the rulebook then? Seems like a hassle to me...

Also, !Gangrel would get to choose from and .

ReverendRevolver wrote:

I dont play like 60% of vampires with capacity over 6 due to lack of foritude, so while id personally gain from skl fetching, i dont feel its good for the game.
If almost say any vamp should be able to fetch an in clan dicsipline as an action though. So some vamps (Angus, Adonai, kikiyoan,Titus, etc) can get big of inclans, and vamps like Horrock, mata hari, Iliana, Blaise, Kyoko, etc can get inclans they disnt get printed with.

And its balanced.

It's not clear to me that, say, a weenie breed deck being able to very quickly get vampires with superior disciplines is "balanced". Indeed, getting a free discipline card was removed from Embrace, but with such a rule, any Embrace could get Discipline cards for its parent clan really easily. And breed decks are one of the decks that - typically - have many spare actions and so can afford to have actions to splurge all over you.

Ditto, a weenie deck which can now quickly turn a 2 cap with "dem" into a 3 cap with "dem obf" or "DEM". And weenie bleed can often afford such actions too, having spare vampires. Bloodfeud is a 2 cap !Malk with obf in group 4. Cassandra Langley is a 2 cap Malk with dem in group 4. Jackie is a 3 cap with DEM. Do we want to make them better?

(Question: what is the in-clan discipline set for Malkavians? Can a group 5 Malkavian fetch Dominate?)

Is the action repeatable? By default, cardless actions are, such as hunting, diablerie. The Red List rush isn't, and this might not be. One might also restrict it to something like "A vampire without a discipline card may take an action to...", though note that would do relatively little to address decks such as the weenie decks above. A breed deck using Third Tradition or Creation Rites would be out of luck there, but a deck using Tumnimos gets a free discipline without a Discipline card, and Embraces can still get one. Can, for example, Una play Clan Impersonation to some other convenient clan, load up with some more disciplines, and use those to fuel other permanent cards for herself?

There are also areas where designers have clearly created vampires who are actually quite good, even without having all the typical in-clan disciplines. (Of course, there are many poor vampires too.) Does your suggestion just make it easier to make good vampires better?



Could you provide some detail of how you came to the conclusion "And it's balanced"?

I don't think fetching discipline cards should be added, or making them trifles. It's not that they don't need help, they do.

The only problem with discipline cards is their +1 capacity (ok, the main problem is Soul Gem of Etrius - IF it would get banned, +1 cap wouldn't be any issue). IF it would be gone, making them trifle would be decent idea.