[Submission] Bully

Terror Frenzy is based on the way you, with animalism, works on the beast within the other vampire. POT and CEL are both physical disciplines, and should not be able to do that. I must say I really thought this could be an archetype card, due to the card name

Also, why not turning it on a Brujah/!brujah card as an action to enter combat?

In the RPG you can intimidate NPCs through physical prowess. Using two disciplines to do this is fair I think.

Intimidate, ok, but to put someone on a Rotschrek level is something too difficult based only on your physical. And forgetting the master card with the same name, rots is the frenzy of fear.

I think a Bully should be an archetype:

when this minion is acting manuevering to long and presses to end cost 1 more blood or life... I know it negates the whole Frenzy and cel/pot concept

Or even an ally or retainer which requires potence to hire/recruit would be nice... which gives one of the Frenzy effects, that way it can still be dealt with by killing/stealing... archetype is too permanent

alasteir wrote:

Intimidate, ok, but to put someone on a Rotschrek level is something too difficult based only on your physical.

I don't think so. Somebody with potence and celerity can completely burn even quite an old vampire in about 10 secondes, and he can prove it graphically from a long range - a brujah who run directly at you while tossing a car certainly is graphical enough. Also, remember that potence + celerity can create aggravated damage.

One could hold onto the interpretation that litteraly only fire and sunlight can provoke rotschrek, and not other source of aggravated damage. But that stretch credibility since a cigarette or a torch can be enough, and thoses aren't even remotely as dangerous than a vampire with potence 3 / celerity 3.

Ohlmann wrote:

alasteir wrote:

Intimidate, ok, but to put someone on a Rotschrek level is something too difficult based only on your physical.

I don't think so. Somebody with potence and celerity can completely burn even quite an old vampire in about 10 secondes, and he can prove it graphically from a long range - a brujah who run directly at you while tossing a car certainly is graphical enough. Also, remember that potence + celerity can create aggravated damage.

One could hold onto the interpretation that litteraly only fire and sunlight can provoke rotschrek, and not other source of aggravated damage. But that stretch credibility since a cigarette or a torch can be enough, and thoses aren't even remotely as dangerous than a vampire with potence 3 / celerity 3.

Celerity and potence are dangerous, but Rotschreck is just the red fear, not related to what can "kill you deader" than a lit cigaretre or a candle, just the intristic fear of fire vamps have.
If sheer ability to kill or mame caused frenzy, Karsh, cock robin, and others would only be practical to communicate with by smoke signals or through messengers...
Also, how dead Cel Pot can make an old vamp depends on the old vamp. It took Bell, Don cerro, Xavier, and some other dude ALL fighting Karsh to a standstill just to stake him and throw him off of a boat. Everyone but the "other dude" have high strength, and 3+ dots in cel and pot.

Unsure on proper direction for this card, though.