Potence bleed defence

The conversation over here , and particularly Azel's comment about Potence bounce and me not liking it very much got me thinking... what could you do for Potence that might be useful, but not bounce? And because it's using a discipline, whatever it is, it's possible to give it an alternative effect too - in Potence, a combat effect is an obvious one, but it could be anything potentially.


obf/POT is about 100 vampires, with - obviously - lots of Nosferatu and !Nosferatu. Other Potence clans get a look-in too, with their members who have some out-of-clan Obfuscate. Bonus weirdness - a few of the warrior Setites (with off-clan Potence) get something out of it. The inferior is intended to be solid without giving dozens of weenie Potence vampires access to a free maneuever (hence the blood cost, and the Obfuscate).

Any thoughts? Is this horrifyingly broken? Uselessly underpowered? So inappropriate it makes you cry?


Art note: something from the 60s version of Batman, with the word "THWOK" or "POW" on it.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Any thoughts? Is this horrifyingly broken? Uselessly underpowered? So inappropriate it makes you cry?

It's very specific against bleed bounce, so the opportunity cost (at superior) is very high. At inferior, double-discipline plus a cost of 1 is definitely overcosted for an inverse Aid From Bats.

Given that it's obf-pot and given that the combat ability is an add-on, it seems that it could be better as a Nos or !Nos clan card:

BenPeal wrote:

Given that it's obf-pot and given that the combat ability is an add-on, it seems that it could be better as a Nos or !Nos clan card

How would you feel about a card playable by either clan?

The Nosferatu don't need more defense (they already have for that), they need better pool damage. It is the Brujah who could use that.

I personally like the concept of "Touch of Pain" as a bleed deterrent and it's a very underestimated card. It's however a one trick card, which keeps people from adding it to their deck I think.

How about:

Incapacitate
Strike: handstrike with first strike.
Deal 1 damage to a minion that successfully bleeds you and put this card on that minion. This minion does not untap, burn this card during this minions master phase.

Doesn't bounce or prevent massive bleeds, but significantly reduces the speed you are bled at, buying you some more time to possibly rush defend against your predator or set up your pool gain and your oust strategy.

or:

Crowd Defense
tap X minions with to deal X damage to the opposing minion.
Tap X minions with to deal X damage to a minion thats bleeding you.

This card can potentially prevent a massive bleed and your predator is forced to wait until you have enough tapped minions to safely bleed. I confess it might be a tad bit too powerful, but it's meant more as an example for alternatives to bleed bounce.

Hmm brujah and !brujah have already a few cards against bleed, but so far i neither have seen it played (ok it s not an anti bounce... but it s the closest to anti bleed card)

Esprit de Corps
+1 stealth action. Unique.
Pre pot put this card in play and untap this vampire. Minions you control get +1 strength. Burn this card during your untap phase.
PRE POT  As above, and you can burn this card to cancel an action card requiring Dementation  , Dominate  or Presence  that would target you (or a card you control) as it is played.