Potence bleed defence

Sucker Punch
1 blood
Combat / Reaction
[obf][pot] Strike: make a hand strike, with an optional maneuver, only usable to maneuver to close range.
[obf][POT] Cancel a reaction card as it is played, if it would make you the target of a bleed action. The cost is still paid. You cannot play another Sucker Punch at [obf][POT] until your next untap phase.

I like it for Nos/!Nos and Brujah, and possibly useful for Samedi too if playing with Potence masters (Josette, Troglodytia, Tanginé have ... I've never played a !Malk deck with Toy [], but he could also play... although !Malks have Auspex so less reason to include...).

Maybe remove the cost and include a tap at advance? E.g.

Sucker Punch
Combat / Reaction
[obf][pot] Strike: hand strike at +1 damage, with an optional maneuver, only usable to maneuver to close range.
[obf][POT] Tap this minion to cancel a reaction card as it is played if it would make you the target of the bleed action. The cost (if any) of the reaction card is still paid. This minion cannot play another Sucker Punch at [obf][POT] until your next untap phase.

The basic is a weaker but cheaper Slam , requiring an extra discipline, and I think would be the primary reason for it's inclusion in the deck - the advanced would be a handy bonus to play should the conditions be met.

I guess if the basic is considered too powerful now (although another card would normally be needed to pump it) you could limit it to a maximum of three damage.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

BenPeal wrote:

Given that it's obf-pot and given that the combat ability is an add-on, it seems that it could be better as a Nos or !Nos clan card

How would you feel about a card playable by either clan?

We did that with Ennoia's Theater based on feedback from the playtesters, so I'm not opposed to it as a rule. If I understand the canon correctly, there isn't a very strong split between Nosferatu and !Nosferatu societies, so having a Nos-!Nos clan card seems do-able.

I m only worried about one thing:
Why not use both discipline at superior and cancel then any further attempts to redirect like in the master two wrongs. It would make as follow (Last match i was into, there was usually 3 redirect per bleeds: prey => prey of the prey => predator => grand prey)

Sucker punch
combat/reaction
1 blood
obf pot : hand strike or melee strike at +1 and one optional maneuver only to go to close.
OBF POT reaction. play when a minion controlled by a Methuselah other than your predator is bleeding you after blocks are declined. That minion is now bleeding his or her prey. The next card that would change the target of this bleed is canceled as it is played. Tap the reacting minion.

i wondered as well if tap-ing the reacting minion is a good choice and if it should be better something as "after a combat involving this minion and a minion who was bleeding you and not controlled by your predator"

Please note that this version kinda of redirect the bleeds crosstable (kindred spirit for example if made by a methusaleh other than your predator)