file Compromise on Villein

06 Apr 2011 09:43 #3171 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Compromise on Villein

Secondly, I honestly did not see the need for this card to be created.

I suppose it was created to stop the Anthelios/Minion Tap combo.

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06 Apr 2011 09:45 #3172 by Juggernaut1981
Ankha, what are the ways to do that?

MT + Golconda
MT + Voter Cap
MT + Giants Blood

VC is the only one without an internal limitation.

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06 Apr 2011 10:20 #3176 by elotar
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VC is the only one without an internal limitation.


You need to win referendum? :)

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06 Apr 2011 10:50 #3179 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Compromise on Villein

Ankha, what are the ways to do that?

MT + Golconda
MT + Voter Cap
MT + Giants Blood

VC is the only one without an internal limitation.

MT + Dmitra
MT + Concert Tour (not seen quite ofter though)
Vc requires to win a referendum, and by many votes.

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06 Apr 2011 23:15 #3194 by Juggernaut1981
@Elotar: Which is already something the deck is trying to do to oust. The others are ways of avoiding being ousted (Giant's Blood, Concert Tour, etc, etc, etc). They provide blood/pool in a defensive fashion only.

@Ankha:
Dmitra gives 4 blood at most from her action. So it seems fair that VC should give between 3 and 5.

Concert Tour is Clan-Only for a generally fairly weak clan which has its largest capacity vampire around 7cap. So, for 1 blood action you MIGHT gain 7 blood (but probably not the full 7 blood).


Again, it comes back to the fact that VC hinges off a commonly available OUSTING mechanism. Most of the non-VC ways to refill a vampire are not directly connected to ousting, but more Defensive. Most of the others do NOT provide pool, with the exception of Edge of the World which has the most restrictions of all of them. The only way to 'cancel' a VC is via DI, but there are other ways to deal with MT on its own.

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07 Apr 2011 06:23 #3199 by BeAst
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I think we need some necro! :)


I disagree.

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