Storyline Rewards 2015

ICL wrote:

**My comments

Lech wrote:

Compare amount of GOOD camarilla cards to GOOD sabbat cards, it's not even close.

GOOD Cammy:
-Alastor **Requires Justicar or ICM
-Anathema **Requires P/J
-Archon **Requires P/J
-Accounting **Requires P/J
-Domain **Requires P/J
-Masquarade **Requires P/J
-Judgment: Cammy Segregation **Requires P/J
-Parity Shift **Requires P/J
-Temptation of Greater Power **Requires Justicar
-Progeny **Requires P/J
-Justicars **Um ...

Good Sabbat:
-Abbot **Does not require a title
-Black Forest Base **Does not require a title
-Creation Rites **Requires Sabbat royalty
-Under Siege **Requires a title
-Yawp Court **Does not require a title
-Cardinal Benediction **Does not require a title
-Legacy of Pander **Only helps titleless Pander

So what if sabbat have 77 sect card and cammy boytoys just 58, when power level of the former is few times worse than the latter ?

Yes, there is reason to be rank-and-file sabbat as you benefit from Abbot, BFB, YC and US, but on the other hand benefit from being titled sabbat vampire is way worse than benefit from power titled cammy boy (Prince+, Primogens are just as shafted as rank-and-file).

Seems like you are making the argument for us that Camarilla needs something ... as I said ... that doesn't help P/J and ICM decks.

To beat a dead horse, being a Primogen is (on average) a detriment not a positive. The one attempt to do anything for them was a bust.

Creating cards with "Requires an untitled Camarilla vampire.", "Burn this card if you control a titled Camarilla vampire.", or whatever to make cards nonsynergistic with the good Camarilla effects is easy. Possibly not terribly thematic if overdone, but easy.

More variety is something everyone should receive, though obviously the weaker clans have an argument that they should get it to stop being so weak.

As I'm not attracted to power but rather to variety, I find the Cam clans the least appealing to play and have felt that way for many years.

But, anyway, more than one thing can be true at the same time. Lasombra and Tzimisce should get more because they are being treated as just more clans when they are something a lot more than that in the IP. Meanwhile, the original four Indies just have an absurd number of cards relative to these two Sabbat clans.

Well, at least jsticar votes does not require you to be Prince/Justicar. It is *something*.

To be fair, i see argument that cammy need some decent non-P/J cards as valid.

Attempt to made primogens suck less was not really successful. Red List making - failure, scourge political card - not bad, not great either.

There is a lot of design space left for camarilla, let's just say that there is no card in game to represent position of seneshal. Person who does the dirty stuff for princes and often take over their position when they are ousted. It's not title in vtes, and can be an action/master card. There are totally not represented harpies, as well. There is also Sheriff, who also isn't represented well within vtes.

It's just scratching the surface.

Original indie clans are starting to get viable after last expansion, and despite large card pool for each, they weren't in great spot before it. But, but, i started it as a whine about lacking aspects of great sabbat vampres, why you dare to redirect this thread into other clans/sects that are lacking something ?

Any word on when the official cardlist and csv files will be updated?

drnlmza wrote:

Any word on when the official cardlist and csv files will be updated?

With regards to the final card, the artist has informed us that the piece is finished, but that he's having severe technical issues at his end which are preventing him from sending it to us. There's no ETA - it'll be ready when it's ready.

So....are these cards all tournament legal?

talonz wrote:

So....are these cards all tournament legal?

The Storyline Rewards 2015 cards are tournament legal starting on March 23.