file The Banu Haqim preconstructed deck

19 Sep 2021 23:11 - 19 Sep 2021 23:13 #103193 by ReverendRevolver
Flavio-7
Karen-7
Farah-7
kassandra-6
Vasily-6

Without thinking about banu haquim alone, there are now 5 princes with :CEL: in group 5-6 under 8 capacity. 
Second trad guns has a fresh faced support cast. Also, access to MotS and Rego Motus for the Assamites.  

My only concerns are that the Justicar lacks :for: and there should be a vampire (justicar woulda made sense) who allows use of :qui: equal to level of :tha: so the ranged agg, black sunrise,  loss, and all the last round of new :qui: cards aren't a loss. It's too clunky  to errata the most recent :qui: cards to work as :tha: for the clan. 

It's cool, but anytime midcap fodder for a proven archetype is my immediate thought, I'm not feeling the setup otherwise. 

Now, priority contract bloat, that 1 pool retainer, and I guess focus the blood are cool. But Dam the Hearts river and sanguine entrapment would have made the whole thing much cooler. It would have made a 44 do 3 each strike, cost a blood for them to strike, and shutdown sce for a second trad guns deck. 
the tradeoff is focus the blood=2 card combo for a free rego Motus or blur. And the math on the blur comes out much better with DthR anyway. 

I dig the new cards, but being cut off from the :qui: from TU dampens my excitement for Banu Haquim
thaum. 
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20 Sep 2021 10:37 #103196 by Miller
The possible combo Hunger of Marduk + Lightning Reflexes seems a little unbalanced imho. Moreover, in comparison, the new card absolutely trashes Theft of Vitae.

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20 Sep 2021 11:18 #103197 by elotar

The possible combo Hunger of Marduk + Lightning Reflexes seems a little unbalanced imho. Moreover, in comparison, the new card absolutely trashes Theft of Vitae.

 

It's :CEL: :THA: combo that thrashes any non-combatant vampire, but then you can do it with guns, :CEL: + Taste, so meh.

Hunger is better than Theft only when you have additional strikes, otherwise it's worse, so actually I think clan requirement for it is stupid.

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20 Sep 2021 12:12 #103199 by ReverendRevolver
The :tha: + clan requirement keeps one archetype in check to my knowledge,  :CEL: :THA: that Cory Busch-Kendal won with once.
so, probably redundant. 

Every Assamite before this set I can think of that had :tha: had :CEL: 
Yitzhak (sp?) Was the only vamp with both at superior that wasn't a 9 or 10 cap. 
I think :tha:   should be adapted to letter to letter adaptations of :qui: staples. I'm a HUGE fan of Foul Blood, but I'm talking about the important stuff like Loss, Taste of Death, and black sunrise.  Those staying with the Banu into this transition is pretty important, bit I'd add the stipulation that such cards would only be playable as printed according to the copy in the deck, so as not to give extra advantage as much as make the new grouping have what they now lack.
ministry dint hurt for :ser: and malks got freaking :dom: so nobody else has this hole from thier missing support/utility discipline. :tha: has ALWAYS been paired with things that can bleed, so Loss is a consolation prize.  Black sunrise and ToD are important to the flavor of the banu-mites, since they're supposed to be dangerous. 

My 2 cents, of course.

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20 Sep 2021 12:47 - 20 Sep 2021 13:04 #103200 by Miller

It's :CEL: :THA: combo that thrashes any non-combatant vampire, but then you can do it with guns, :CEL: + Taste, so meh.

Hunger is better than Theft only when you have additional strikes, otherwise it's worse, so actually I think clan requirement for it is stupid.



Guns + Cel + Taste is not as nearly as effective against damage prevention or Animalism combat (e.g. Drawing Out the Beast, Terror Frenzy).

Besides the clan requirement, could you explain how exactly is Hunger of Marduk worse than Theft of Vitae? It seems to me quite the opposite, since it is not a strike and cannot be denied by cards like Thoughts Betrayed, for instance.
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20 Sep 2021 13:12 #103201 by Hobbesgoblin
Hunger of marduk has to be played before range, telegraphing your intentions.

This is more relevant in the Guns+taste Case, as, when you plan on gunning and tasting, if you get hit by a S:CE, you simply don't taste, while the hunger of marduk already has to be played at that time.

In comparison to taste, the difference is primarily, that in the case of not being the acitng minion, taste is better, as you announce your strike last.

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