Suggestion for change to qualifier rules/status
13 May 2012 20:37 #30166
by vtesocrates
You seem to define the problem is that vtes is stagnant and/or in decline, sure. Does changing how easy/hard it is to qualify address that problem? Are players losing interest or failing to generate interest in vtes because it's too hard to qualify? I'm genuinely asking.
Replied by vtesocrates on topic Re: Suggestion for change to qualifier rules/status
The "problem" I see and the benefits which I believe would result were outlined in my OP.Are there a lot of players who are failing to qualify? Is there a problem here that needs solving?
You seem to define the problem is that vtes is stagnant and/or in decline, sure. Does changing how easy/hard it is to qualify address that problem? Are players losing interest or failing to generate interest in vtes because it's too hard to qualify? I'm genuinely asking.
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13 May 2012 21:34 #30172
by Pascal Bertrand
Of course, if you assumte only S/B can get GWs, your argument is valid. But I'm pretty sure there are other ways.
Also, define "improperly", "doesn't matter", and "rest of the tournament" as these notions are quite vague. Would "improperly" include "not respecting PTW" ? Would "doesn't matter" include "not respecting PTW"? Would "rest of the tournament" include the finals?
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Suggestion for change to qualifier rules/status
Why is it a bad thing that players would try to get a GW ?"Get a GW and you qualify" is too low a requirement, because people could play a S+B deck just to guarantee they get 1GW, and then they could play improperly afterwards, since the rest of the tournament "doesn't matter". I don't see this behavior at qualifier tournaments, so while it *may not happen* I don't see a reason to take any chances.
Of course, if you assumte only S/B can get GWs, your argument is valid. But I'm pretty sure there are other ways.
Also, define "improperly", "doesn't matter", and "rest of the tournament" as these notions are quite vague. Would "improperly" include "not respecting PTW" ? Would "doesn't matter" include "not respecting PTW"? Would "rest of the tournament" include the finals?
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13 May 2012 21:42 #30176
by KevinM
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you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
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Replied by KevinM on topic Re: Suggestion for change to qualifier rules/status
It isn't a bad thing that players would try to get a GW. I don't know where you got that from. You're extrapolating from what I said to something that I didn't say or mean.
I was using S+B as an example, not as a summation.
My response to "Get a GW and qualify" is clear: Players could play a deck with which it is fairly easy to obtain a GW and then play improperly afterwards.
Definitions: Yes. Yes. Yes.
I was using S+B as an example, not as a summation.
My response to "Get a GW and qualify" is clear: Players could play a deck with which it is fairly easy to obtain a GW and then play improperly afterwards.
Definitions: Yes. Yes. Yes.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/
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13 May 2012 22:12 #30182
by Haze
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players might win one tournament and then play improperly for the rest of the year
I sometimes do that.
I sometimes do that.
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13 May 2012 22:41 #30185
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic Re: Suggestion for change to qualifier rules/status
You mean one has to win a tournament before playing improperly? Doh!

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13 May 2012 23:06 #30187
by etherial
*rolls grenade*
So, back in 2005, the only time I made it to GenCon, there were 50+ people in the NAC(?) and 14 people in the Shadow Twin. I didn't feel bad about not qualifying, since I hadn't planned on being there, and I ended up winning the Shadow Twin, but if these numbers are representative of most of the major tournaments, I wonder what the point is of having qualifiers at all.
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Replied by etherial on topic Re: Suggestion for change to qualifier rules/status
"Get a GW and you qualify" is too low a requirement, because people could play a S+B deck just to guarantee they get 1GW, and then they could play improperly afterwards, since the rest of the tournament "doesn't matter". I don't see this behavior at qualifier tournaments, so while it *may not happen* I don't see a reason to take any chances.
*rolls grenade*
So, back in 2005, the only time I made it to GenCon, there were 50+ people in the NAC(?) and 14 people in the Shadow Twin. I didn't feel bad about not qualifying, since I hadn't planned on being there, and I ended up winning the Shadow Twin, but if these numbers are representative of most of the major tournaments, I wonder what the point is of having qualifiers at all.
Non-Camarilla
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