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Guidelines for the location of Regional Qualifier Events
25 Jul 2013 11:28 #52243
by Jeff Kuta
Ok. Fair enough. But to my knowledge these country-by-country guidelines are not published anywhere. That might not be necessary, but it does make it more difficult for someone to actually track the legitimate qualifiers.
I would posit that it is also impossible to determine if people are treated "equally" without knowing how the qualification process varies from country to country. And should it?
My understanding, as related to me by local princes who run these things, is that each prince has the opportunity to run a single "qualifier" tournament during the calendar year. All other tournaments are just regular events.
If the system were truly that simple, why not just come out and say it?
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Replied by Jeff Kuta on topic Re: Guidelines for the location of Regional Qualifier Events
The answers are actually, as you stated right there, "YES", and "YES"(*).
The current guidelines being "It's a country-by-country basis".
Whether this a good guideline or not can be discussed (and that's what Juggernaut1981 and Damnans have been doing).
Ok. Fair enough. But to my knowledge these country-by-country guidelines are not published anywhere. That might not be necessary, but it does make it more difficult for someone to actually track the legitimate qualifiers.
(*) I'm not sure I really understand what "equal" means in this context....
I suppose "equal" means "gives everyone in the country the same chances", or perhaps, "... a chance".
I would posit that it is also impossible to determine if people are treated "equally" without knowing how the qualification process varies from country to country. And should it?
My understanding, as related to me by local princes who run these things, is that each prince has the opportunity to run a single "qualifier" tournament during the calendar year. All other tournaments are just regular events.
If the system were truly that simple, why not just come out and say it?
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25 Jul 2013 11:54 #52244
by Brum
It was always there.
And what's in the rules wasn't what Jeff Thomson was askin', I think.
I think his question was how / why things are like that and how can you apply that somewhere else, if needed be?
When I was tracking all the qualified players in 2012, I asked Ben Peal about it because the US (one country) had lots of Continental Qualifiers.
I was completely satisfied with his answer.
Huge distances, many scattered playgroups that can hold 20+ Tournaments.
Replied by Brum on topic Re: Guidelines for the location of Regional Qualifier Events
However, for countries like France and Spain which split each of their Continental Qualifiers in two events, any players who participate in one of them are also allowed to participate in the other, but:
They will not be taken into account when calculating the top 25% of players in the other tournament (who would qualify). That means that if the tournament had 20 participants, and one of the players in attendance had already qualified in a previous Continental Qualifier in the same country, for qualifying purposes the tournament would be considered to have 19 participants instead.
And they will not be able to qualify.
It was always there.
And what's in the rules wasn't what Jeff Thomson was askin', I think.
I think his question was how / why things are like that and how can you apply that somewhere else, if needed be?
When I was tracking all the qualified players in 2012, I asked Ben Peal about it because the US (one country) had lots of Continental Qualifiers.
I was completely satisfied with his answer.
Huge distances, many scattered playgroups that can hold 20+ Tournaments.
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25 Jul 2013 18:03 #52251
by Adonai
This is why V:EKN dropped that extra tracking for unreported events years ago. Bringing it back is a serious mistake.
It is also a direct violation of the intent of the qualifier rules, quoted here:
Once the EC 2013 is played, I won't be tracking it any more, so you can try to figure it out when you automate it.
Notice that this is one of the same problems that ranking had, that was also dropped from rankings.
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Guidelines for the location of Regional Qualifier Events
That qualification system was used in France for our National Qualifiers, but its biggest issue is that it's a real pain to track who is already qualified (players tend to forget they are / think they're not).
This is why V:EKN dropped that extra tracking for unreported events years ago. Bringing it back is a serious mistake.
It is also a direct violation of the intent of the qualifier rules, quoted here:
All qualifier tournaments are handled equally regardless of order. Players who qualify in one qualifier are not handled any differently in other qualifiers. They can continue to qualify in each qualifier in which they play.
Once the EC 2013 is played, I won't be tracking it any more, so you can try to figure it out when you automate it.
Notice that this is one of the same problems that ranking had, that was also dropped from rankings.
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26 Jul 2013 05:36 #52279
by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Guidelines for the location of Regional Qualifier Events
I'm working on itOnce the EC 2013 is played, I won't be tracking it any more, so you can try to figure it out when you automate it.

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