Monocle of Clarity (& questions about the deck contents)
13 Dec 2011 13:00 #18253
by jamesatzephyr
Errrr....
In what way does a judge get involved with me searching my library with Magic of the Smith for a Bowl of Convergence (which isn't there) and then me shuffling the library afterwards?
Sure. That's the risk you run with asking questions about potentially unknown information.
That's not a legal answer. Yes or No.
Please don't make your own private rules up.
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity (& questions about the deck contents)
If the judge does it, like Pascal suggested, without showing teh cards to players there is no need to shuffle.You can also use it if you just want an excuse to shuffle your deck (e.g. you've been recycling cards onto the bottom with Waste Management Operation).
Errrr....
In what way does a judge get involved with me searching my library with Magic of the Smith for a Bowl of Convergence (which isn't there) and then me shuffling the library afterwards?
Truthful indeed, but then you might run across world class players who are just spontanious and unexpicably having a brainfart:
But If you get asked a question about your library what is a legal answer?
Yes or No. The answer should be truthful, to tbe best of your knowledge.
Sure. That's the risk you run with asking questions about potentially unknown information.
I would just answer I don't remember to the first question.
That's not a legal answer. Yes or No.
Please don't make your own private rules up.
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13 Dec 2011 13:04 #18255
by TunFiskeMad
I know there is no power curve broken in the wrong direction, but this card just seem so ripe for abuse if played against that I don't really see the point of it.
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But If you get asked a question about your library what is a legal answer?
Yes or No. The answer should be truthful, to tbe best of your knowledge.
I know there is no power curve broken in the wrong direction, but this card just seem so ripe for abuse if played against that I don't really see the point of it.
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13 Dec 2011 13:08 #18258
by jamesatzephyr
What sort of abuse are you seeing?
I can ask you easily verifiable questions, like the contents of your hand, uncontrolled region, or other visible-to-you-but-hidden-from-me areas of the game. You have to answer truthfully, and a judge can check.
I can ask you questions that you might or might not know the answer to, and you have to answer truthfully (as best you understand it) but might be wrong. If I do that and I don't like the answer, that's my fault.
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity (& questions about the deck contents)
I know there is no power curve broken in the wrong direction, but this card just seem so ripe for abuse if played against that I don't really see the point of it.
What sort of abuse are you seeing?
I can ask you easily verifiable questions, like the contents of your hand, uncontrolled region, or other visible-to-you-but-hidden-from-me areas of the game. You have to answer truthfully, and a judge can check.
I can ask you questions that you might or might not know the answer to, and you have to answer truthfully (as best you understand it) but might be wrong. If I do that and I don't like the answer, that's my fault.
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13 Dec 2011 13:32 #18266
by TunFiskeMad
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Replied by TunFiskeMad on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity (& questions about the deck contents)
Well like people "forgetting" what they are playing - yes there is occasion where you would want to know.
Interpretation of the question asked might vary.
Yes you can ask clear cut questions like: do you have a specific card in hand, but going beyond that you might get "lawyered" if bad at the language or missing a loophole on a card.
Interpretation of the question asked might vary.
Yes you can ask clear cut questions like: do you have a specific card in hand, but going beyond that you might get "lawyered" if bad at the language or missing a loophole on a card.
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13 Dec 2011 13:37 #18268
by jamesatzephyr
That's not new with Monocle of Clarity. At any point in the game, a player might ask a misleading question, strike a misleading deal, or just outright lie to you.
If the problem is "Talking is hard", then that's a problem that needs to be fixed by the player concerned, Monocle or no.
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity (& questions about the deck contents)
Well like people "forgetting" what they are playing - yes there is occasion where you would want to know.
Interpretation of the question asked might vary.
Yes you can ask clear cut questions like: do you have a specific card in hand, but going beyond that you might get "lawyered" if bad at the language or missing a loophole on a card.
That's not new with Monocle of Clarity. At any point in the game, a player might ask a misleading question, strike a misleading deal, or just outright lie to you.
If the problem is "Talking is hard", then that's a problem that needs to be fixed by the player concerned, Monocle or no.
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13 Dec 2011 14:00 #18270
by TunFiskeMad
Well lying to you concerning deals is allowed, but you are not allowed to lie about the answer to the monocle question.
The question now is how do you interept willfully forgetting the correct answer?
Which is all fine and dandy when we are talking about the "game" - but when we talk about mechanical effects in the game, they shouldn't be language dependent.
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Replied by TunFiskeMad on topic Re: Monocle of Clarity (& questions about the deck contents)
That's not new with Monocle of Clarity. At any point in the game, a player might ask a misleading question, strike a misleading deal, or just outright lie to you.
Well lying to you concerning deals is allowed, but you are not allowed to lie about the answer to the monocle question.
The question now is how do you interept willfully forgetting the correct answer?
If the problem is "Talking is hard", then that's a problem that needs to be fixed by the player concerned, Monocle or no.
Which is all fine and dandy when we are talking about the "game" - but when we talk about mechanical effects in the game, they shouldn't be language dependent.
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