Action Cards, Angel of Berlin, On the Qui Vive, and Determine

Angel of Berlin
Master
Master: out-of-turn. Requires a ready imbued.
Untap an imbued, or equip a ready imbued you control with an equipment from your hand (requirements must be met; pay cost as normal). Not usable during combat.

Determine
Reaction
Vision
[1 Conviction]
Play when a monster controlled by your predator is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting imbued. The monster is now bleeding your predator's predator.
Or play when a monster controlled by your predator or prey plays an action card. Tap this reacting imbued and cancel that action card as it is played (no cost is paid, and the monster doesn't tap). That monster cannot play the same action card again this turn.

On the Qui Vive
Reaction
Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the current action is concluded. If this minion is an ally, he or she does not untap as normal during his or her next untap phase. A minion may play only one On the Qui Vive between his or her untap phases.

This has been asked before on r.g.t-c.j, but I just want to see it again here for clarification (or correction).

Only Methuselah A and Methuselah B remain in the game. Methuselah A controls ready Vampire A. Methuselah B controls ready, tapped Imbued B with Vision and several conviction cards. It is Methuselah A's turn.

Vampire A plays an action card.

Can Methuselah B play Angel of Berlin to untap Imbued B, followed by Imbued B playing Determine to cancel the action card?

Can Imbued B play On the Qui Vive, followed by Determine to cancel the action card?

Technically, when are cards replaced during the above sequences, and what are the names of those subphases?

Thanks in advance.

You have a "as a card is played" timing, where you declare the card (don't replace it), give impulse to the other players to cancel it (or play "as a card is played" effects) and once they all decline, you replace it and the card resolves. Nobody replaces cards during this timing.
Note that other players cannot declare other effects like block attempts, bounce or combat cards (if you are acting, or in combat).
In the case of Actions, after that you enter into the "as an action is announced" timing (when you can play Seduction, etc.)


Can Imbued B play On the Qui Vive, followed by Determine to cancel the action card?

Yes: "Do X and Y."

Determine wrote:

Tap this reacting imbued and cancel that action card as it is played...

Note the difference with "Do X and Y" with "Do X to Y".
The second wording would not allow you to use Determine in the scenario you suggest.

[LSJ 20070405] in Google Groups.

As a personal note, in Math, Logic and Bolean algebra "and" is only True (or fulfilled) if both X and Y are satisfied, so I think the wording is rather counter intuitive.

Tiago

When a card is played, the "as played" window opens. (Rulebook 1.6.1, Complete Rules Reference II.B.3).
In the "as played" window, only cards that would cancel a card and cards allowing that ("Wakes") are allowed to be played (Rulebook 1.6.1, Complete Rules Reference II.B.3.a). Other cards or effects cannot be used at that time (Complete Rules Reference II.B.3.b, but also [RTR 20040501] , [LSJ 20090504] , [LSJ 20100512] for cards such as Guard Dogs).

Finally, during this "as played" window, cards aren't replaced (Rulebook 1.6.1, Complete Rules Reference II.B.3). This includes the action card, the On the Qui Vive, and any other cards that would be used in that window.

Now, "Wakes" isn't really defined in the Rulebook, but there is a pot by LSJ saying that cards with "can play reaction cards as though untapped" is required and sufficient text on these cards. I'll try to find it and link to it over here.

Finally, this ruling [LSJ 20090430] is still valid.
You can On the Qui Vive + Determine to cancel an action card as it is played, but you can't Angel of Berlin + Determine to cancel an action card as it is played.
The reason for that is that Angel of Berlin doesn't read "this minion may play reaction cards as though untapped".

LSJ wrote:

> Then I don't understand the ruling above, why is it not possible with
> vigilance, but possible with wake?
Presence or absence of "may play reaction cards as if untapped" effect.
Cards with such effect can be played in the "as played" window.
Other cards cannot be (unless they have explicit text to do so).

I don't understand this ruling. I have nothing but respect and friendship for Scott, but I really don't see why Angel of Berlin doesn't work there.
You don't need the "may play reaction cards as if untapped" text, because the minion is untapped.
It sounds like a "because it is so" argument.

This question came up because I was doing this in a JOL game. I disagree with the ruling and I do not see how it makes any logical sense, but that being said ... it is irrelevant. A player will just have to untap their Imbued with Angel of Berlin during the other Methuselah's turn before the action they are concerned about is announced (Spell of Life in this case). Then they can Determine at will. Its inconvenient.