Play to Win situation

jamesatzephyr wrote:

acbishop wrote:

I think that you are thinking that I've never judged a tournament before also, I did, several times.

Quite the reverse. Since you haev actively stated the desire to enforce the rules wrongly, I am asking you to stop doing so!

Ok James, now if you could stop trolling. Everyone is tired of this...



you mad ?

Dorrinal wrote:

The usenet group is an excellent resource, but LSJ's suggestion is not part of the Tournament Rules or Judges' Guide. Until this is corrected (and I wouldn't mind, because it makes good sense) my interpretation is correct.

Your personal opinion does not override official rulings from the official rules authority.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Dorrinal wrote:

The usenet group is an excellent resource, but LSJ's suggestion is not part of the Tournament Rules or Judges' Guide. Until this is corrected (and I wouldn't mind, because it makes good sense) my interpretation is correct.

Your personal opinion does not override official rulings from the official rules authority.

We're off usenet now. A new judge has no way of finding the rulings and information you posted except through creating a post like this. That's why I used the term corrected - VEKN.net needs to host all official rulings, because it is now the official rules authority.

my first statement is that playing bad is not illegal, we can't be all of us Erik's clons and playing perfectly all the time.
So, for me the thing to check is if for the player is reasonably to think that he's not able to get more VP's. If it is reasonable on that player situation to think that he can't make more VP's then that player is not violating the play to win, he's simply playing bad. That's all.

Dorrinal wrote:

We're off usenet now. A new judge has no way of finding the rulings

Using Google Groups to search for posts works just like it has for a number of years (and Deja News did before that).

This was often done by people using other forums - White Wolf's own, Presence, the Path of Blood, regional forums, the Yahoo rulings mailing list. They were off Usenet, but still managed it.

Have people's fingers suddenly fallen off?

acbishop wrote:

my first statement is that playing bad is not illegal, we can't be all of us Erik's clons and playing perfectly all the time.
So, for me the thing to check is if for the player is reasonably to think that he's not able to get more VP's. If it is reasonable on that player situation to think that he can't make more VP's then that player is not violating the play to win, he's simply playing bad. That's all.

No, that's not all.

If you decide the player is violating play-to-win, you must also intervene. If - per your previous statements - you refuse to intervene, you're doing it wrong.