Caitiff, the Puzzling

Malcolm,

Caitiff is a clan until you use a card which requires a clan. So, when you use Embrace (for example) the Embrace 'tells itself' "I am a Caitiff".

Con Boon asks for a nominated clan. Because Caitiff is not a 'clan proper' then Caitiff cannot be chosen.

Malcolm wrote:

Therefore, I see no reason why, If a caitiff somehow gains a clan, they should not remain Caitiff. (this is based off the rules and rulings presented thus far)

On a Caitiff's driving licence, under Clan it says "None - Caitiff." Under Sect it says "Camarilla".

When they upgrade to being a Brujah, the Clan bit gets covered in Tippex and replaced with the word "Brujah".

[LSJ 20020301]

LSJ wrote:

Caitiff are clanless (by the rules).

If you aren't clanless, you can't be Caitiff.

(But there are other ways of being clanless e.g. Call the Great Beast. It's a necessary, but not sufficient, condition.)

See also:
[LSJ 20081204]

LSJ wrote:

> Malvalvis (caitiff) Clan Impersonates a Salubri, becoming
> Independent. Later, she burns the Clan Impersonation, becoming
> Caitiff again.
>
> By becoming Caitiff, she has just changed clans, certainly, since
> gaining or losing a clan is a change in clan. But she has not "change
> [d] clans [...] to a clan ...".
>
> So does she remain independent?

No. She becomes Camarilla. Changing to Caitiff is handled the same as changing
to a clan.

Burning the CI changes them *back* to Caitiff. i.e. when Salubri, they weren't Caitiff.