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Would it also be a valid argument that the "as announced" window does not allow you to tap the Barrens or Fragment of the Book of Nod (or any other similar effect.)

Also, you do not refresh your hand during this window (IE drawing a Seduction from the action card, or you must have a weapon in hand to play Concealed Weapon.)

That mostly comes into play when someone plays a master card and another player taps the Barrens to dig for a Sudden Reversal. However, it should work both ways: you can't tap the House of Sorrows to untap the Creepshow Casino in the "as announced" window.

direwolf wrote:

Would it also be a valid argument that the "as announced" window does not allow you to tap the Barrens or Fragment of the Book of Nod (or any other similar effect.)

Also, you do not refresh your hand during this window (IE drawing a Seduction from the action card, or you must have a weapon in hand to play Concealed Weapon.)

That mostly comes into play when someone plays a master card and another player taps the Barrens to dig for a Sudden Reversal. However, it should work both ways: you can't tap the House of Sorrows to untap the Creepshow Casino in the "as announced" window.

Wrong.

Cards aren't replaced in the "as played" window (Rulebook 1.6.1), but you replace your Govern before deciding whether or not to play your Seduction. You can tap Barrens before playing Seduction.

Concealed Weapon is also replaced before putting the weapon in play, but *you need the weapon in your hand in order to play CW in the first place*.

Pascal wrote:

Concealed Weapon is also replaced before putting the weapon in play, but *you need the weapon in your hand in order to play CW in the first place*.

That, for once, is something truly confusing and error-prone.

On the same account, do you have to declare what you equip with a jack of both side ? And do you need to actually have the thing in hand before replacing the Jack ?

I already cited the answer for that in "Uses for Jack of Both Sides" topic. Let me cut and paste to help you.


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Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:02 am |
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floppyzedolfin wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:55 am, Dasein <dasein2...@...> wrote:
> Sequence of evenements is :
> - Announce wich minion plays which action card.
> - Announce the terms of the action card, if any (inferior / superior
> level, cards targetted for Sudario Refraction or Jack, ...)
> - You tap your minon when doing one of the 2 points above.
> - At that moment, any one could call ask for a check that the
> equipment / retainer you announced for your Jack is in your 6 card
> hand)
> - Wait for Direct Intervention.
> - Replace the action card.
> - Play any "As the action is announced" cards as you want.

Correct, except that tapping comes after DI (that is, if the action card is
DI'ed, the minion doesn't tap).

...

>> For
>> example can someone wait until I declare what equipment/retainer card
>> is before they decide to Direct Intervention the Jack of Both Sides?
>
> There's no time window before the terms declaration to play a Direct
> Intervention.
>
>> Does the equipment retainer card stay in my hand or go onto the table
>> while block attempts are being made / resolved?
>
> While the action is not succesful, the equipment / retainer remains in
> your hand. As a result of the succesful action, put the equipment /
> retainer on the minion.
>
> By the way, the "announce the target card / wait for direct
> intervention / replace card" is the same for Concealed Weapon.

Correct.

So, let's suppose..

I play Jack of both side for a Magnum .44

I get blocked by a vampire with 6 raptor. I discard my hand, including the magnum, play torrent, continue my action, draw another Magnum. Can I equip it ?

(if not, this is a nightmare to ascertain "cheating" by people ; and if there were a way to make discard at random during the time between announce and resolution, it will be even more fun, since the active player will have to keep mental track of which magnum he have in hand is the good one, to know whether he discarded the one for the action or any other)