Can I put Infernal Pact on Vidal Jarbeaux ?
It is likely that I add a few words to Vidal's text to make this clearer.
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Does Vidal's ability allow his Methuselah to play master cards from other clans/sects as well? Is there a specific ruling?
Vidal's text is fundamentally different from Mata Hari's, hence the confusion. While the former refers only to the minion himself, the latter highlights "You and she may play".
Name: Vidal Jarbeaux
[KoT:V]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Toreador
Group: 5
Capacity: 8
Discipline: aus cel obf pot PRE
Camarilla: Vidal can meet the clan, sect, or non-infernal vampire trait (e.g., {Black Hand}) requirement to play any card. He can meet a given requirement only once each game. +1 bleed.
Artist: Mike Gaydos
Name: Mata Hari
[KMW:U/PAn]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ravnos
Group: 4
Capacity: 7
Discipline: aus for qui CHI OBF
Independent. Red List: Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled). You and she may play cards that require a sect and/or clan as if she were of that required sect and/or clan.
Artist: Steve Prescott
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Yes. Ruling is Pascal's, just above.Does Vidal's ability allow his Methuselah to play master cards from other clans/sects as well? Is there a specific ruling?
If you control Vidal and he hasn't faked !Tremere yet, you can play an Infernal Pact on Vidal. Vidal would be faking !Tremere for the resolution of playing that Infernal Pact (which means you can put that Infernal Pact on Vidal).
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Camarilla: Vidal can meet the clan, sect, or non-infernal vampire trait (e.g., {Black Hand}) requirement to play any card. He can meet a given requirement only once each game. +1 bleed.
Independent. Red List: Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled). You and she may play cards that require a sect and/or clan as if she were of that required sect and/or clan.
Artist: Steve Prescott
The reason why Vidal and Mata Hari are different, is that Mata Hari specifically mentions the player in the card text. Mata Hari allows the player to play Ventrue HQ as if Mata Hari was a ventrue (she fulfills the requirement of a ventrue in play).
Vidal doesn't refer to the player. He refers only to himself. "To play any card" refers to Vidal playing the card. Therefore he shouldn't fulfill the requirements of playing master cards.
However, you apparently have LSJ ruling from the paleolithic period saying otherwise. So I see three options:
1. Errata Vidals cardtext to mention the player "for you and Vidal to play any card", mirroring Mata Haris text.
2. Obey the existing card text and actually rule against LSJ for once
3. Ban Vidal (I would shed no tears if you choose this option)
ps. We can all be silently thankful to BCP for omitting Vidal's reprint among the recent Keepers of the Tradition reprints.
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