The Rising vs 419 Operation

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Similarly, if you bleed with kindred spirits during your turn with the rising out, and burn the edge for leverage, you gain no pool, simce you lose and do not regain the edge that action and its your turn.

Leverage doesn't matter. If you don't have the Edge, then bleed with Kindred Spirits, you don't gain pool.

[LSJ 20100206]

LSJ, wrote:

> The Rising is in play. I do not have the edge. I successfully bleed
> with Kindred Spirits. Do I gain 1 pool from Kindred Spirits ?

No. You have to resolve the bleed (resolve the action) in order to get
the Edge.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

This changes if you oust since you gain a vp on that action, which i think ks stackw the poolgain into the same window of.

It may change. It doesn't have to.

[LSJ 201002008]

LSJ wrote:

Similarly for the package of "VP + 6 pool". You can say you have the
VP first and then the 6 pool (so that The Rising will leave you alone
about the the 6 pool gain). Or the other way around, if you need to
avoid gaining the six pool.

(Why would you want to avoid gaining pool? Parity Shift.)

ReverendRevolver wrote:

If you madness network kindred spirits bleed on your preys turn, and burn the edge for leverage, you eo gqin pool, its not your turn as per rising and ks.

Incorrect. [LSJ 20100206] (above).

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Also, Hrothulf rushing using his special and emptying an anathemad vamp gains no pool, if rising is out, as edgr was bruned as cost.

Yes, burning the Edge happened when the action resolved (successfully). Ages before.

How do you not gain pool for a ks bleed during your preys turn? The rising says nobody gains pool during thier turn without the edgr or a vp. Your preys turn is not your turn.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

How do you not gain pool for a ks bleed during your preys turn? The rising says nobody gains pool during thier turn without the edgr or a vp. Your preys turn is not your turn.

Sorry, yes, brain fart.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

ReverendRevolver wrote:

How do you not gain pool for a ks bleed during your preys turn? The rising says nobody gains pool during thier turn without the edgr or a vp. Your preys turn is not your turn.

Sorry, yes, brain fart.

Just making sure, as that was one of the points i was certain of.

Izaak wrote:

a-e's solution is a correct one, but this way my prey only gets to burn 1 Operation IF he managed to get the Edge...

Isn't the always the case?

In your own turn, you can burn one 419 per bleeder: bleed, burn the edge, bleed, burn the edge, rince and repeat.

Non-existant user wrote:

Izaak wrote:

a-e's solution is a correct one, but this way my prey only gets to burn 1 Operation IF he managed to get the Edge...

Isn't the always the case?

In your own turn, you can burn one 419 per bleeder: bleed, burn the edge, bleed, burn the edge, rince and repeat.

Dudes, this is obvious... a-e's hint was about regaining the pool from Operation by burning the Edge in other Meth's turn cuz Rising only restricts pool gain in your own turn. My whole question is about pool gain in this situation really...