file Hesha Ruhadze and Restricted Vitae

05 May 2014 06:58 - 05 May 2014 06:59 #61847 by edminister
The cards in question:

Name: Freak Drive
[Jyhad:R2, VTES:R, CE:U/PV2, Anarchs:PG, LoB:PA2, Third:U, LotN:PR, KoT:PV3, HttB:PSam2]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Fortitude
[for] Only usable at the end of a successful action (after resolving the action). This vampire untaps.
[FOR] As above, but usable even if the action is blocked (play after combat, if any).
Artist: Nilson; Daniel Gelon

Name: Hesha Ruhadze
[Promo-20010302, FN:PS]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Follower of Set
Group: 2
Capacity: 6
Discipline: ani obf pre SER
Independent: When hunting, Hesha gets an additional +1 stealth and gains an additional blood if successful.
Artist: John Van Fleet

Name: Fortitude
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, Sabbat:C, SW:C/PV, FN:PR, CE:C, Anarchs:PAG, LoB:PI, KoT:PV, HttB:PSal]
Cardtype: Master
Master: Discipline.
Put this card on a vampire. This vampire gains 1 level of Fortitude [for]. Capacity increases by 1: the vampire is one generation older. Cannot be placed on a vampire with superior Fortitude [FOR].
Artist: Richard Thomas; Ron Spencer; Ron Spenser


Name: Restricted Vitae
[Gehenna:R, KMW:PAn]
Cardtype: Event
Gehenna. Do not replace until a vampire successfully hunts.
Vampires cannot hunt unless forced to hunt. A vampire who must hunt may hunt by stealing a blood from a younger vampire as a (D) action instead of performing the usual hunt action.
Artist: Brian LeBlanc

The Questions:

If Restricted Vitae is in play and Hesha is forced to hunt because of a lack of blood and chooses to steal from a younger vampire:

Does Hesha remove one or two blood from the target, does he gain one from the target and one from the blood bank or does he just gain one blood total?

Supposing he gains only one blood and has the Fortitude Master Discipline card on him:
If he modifies this action with Freak Drive (reducing his blood total back to zero) can he pick another blood off of a vampire? If not can he still hunt as normal?
Last edit: 05 May 2014 06:59 by edminister.

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05 May 2014 07:12 - 05 May 2014 07:13 #61850 by jamesatzephyr

If Restricted Vitae is in play and Hesha is forced to hunt because of a lack of blood and chooses to steal from a younger vampire:

Does Hesha remove one or two blood from the target, does he gain one from the target and one from the blood bank or does he just gain one blood total?


Two, from the target.

Alternate Hunt Actions (REVERSAL): Previously, modifications to the amount
gained by special hunt actions (Legacy of Caine, Week of Nightmares, etc.)
could not be made, but other modifications (to stealth, say) were allowed.
The restriction against modifying the amount is now dropped. Any hunt
modification (Aaron's Razor, Hesha, etc.) is allowed on special hunts (Legacy
of Caine, Week of Nightmares, etc.), following card text. Note that card text
on Festivo dello Estinto and Inbase Discotek explicitly move the additional
blood from the blood bank (rather than from the new, non-default, target of
the hunt).

Specifically
Aaron's Feeding Razor, Amadeo, Hesha Ruhadze, Hungry Coyote, Succulent Vitae
(superior), Tainted Vitae move additional blood, if available, from the
source to the hunter.

Festivo dello Estinto the successful hunter, after gaining blood from
whatever source, fills up with blood from the blood bank.
Foul Blood the hunter takes 1 less blood from the source.
Immaculate Vitae (superior), Masquerade Endangered, Vampiric Disease no blood
is moved from the source.
Inbase Discotek, Frankfurt the hunter, after gaining a blood from whatever
source, gains a blood from the blood bank.


If he modifies this action with Freak Drive (reducing his blood total back to zero) can he pick another blood off of a vampire? If not can he still hunt as normal?


No, and yes.

You can't repeat the Restricted Vitae action, because it's an action provided by a card in play.

A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps.


You can use the normal hunt action - or a different special hunt action (e.g. Legacy of Caine, Abactor) - because there's no prohibition on that.
Last edit: 05 May 2014 07:13 by jamesatzephyr.

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05 May 2014 12:13 - 05 May 2014 12:14 #61862 by CalibanX
Is there a limit to how many times a vamp can hunt (other than capacity)? Say, if a vamp hunts successfully, plays Forced March to untap, can the vamps then hunt again (without playing an specific hunt card action) and play Forced March again and again and again until full?
Last edit: 05 May 2014 12:14 by CalibanX.

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05 May 2014 12:15 #61864 by BenPeal

Is there a limit to how many times a vamp can hunt (other than capacity)? Say, if a vamp hunts successfully, plays Forced March to untap, can the vamps then hunt again (without playing an specific hunt card action) and play Forced March again and again and again until full?


Forced March is restricted by card text to one per turn per vampire. You could, however, use Freak Drive to do what you described.

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05 May 2014 12:41 #61865 by ReverendRevolver
Its common lategame if you are in deep shit to do just that. Ariadne or a vamp with feeding razor gain still, but oftten in ventrue decks, even samedi decks, ive freak drove and hunted just to get the card for an oust (psychic veil, often in samedi, krc or govern in ventrue, sometimes nose of hound in !ventrue) or to stay alive.

Its normal, less than optimal, and all the cool kids do it eventually.

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05 May 2014 15:05 - 05 May 2014 15:05 #61871 by jamesatzephyr

Is there a limit to how many times a vamp can hunt (other than capacity)?


The default hunt from the rules, no, you can do as many times as you like in a turn. Ditto, the default diablerie, default rescue, or default leave torpor (though blood and targets may make this difficult!).

If it's a "special" hunt provided by a card in play, or an action card like Vulture's Buffet, those fall foul of the ordinary repeat-action restrictions. Note that Kyoko Shinsegawa's card text provides a hunt action as a card in play, so Kyoko can't repeat that.
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