under siege > titled

I am probably missing something again but does a non-titled vampire that gets a vote becomes a titled vampire or is he a non-titled vampire with 1 vote? Yes, sorry I'm stupid. So an answer somewhat less lengthy then the Andre post would be appreciated - )

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Legacy of Pander
Political Action
Requires a Sabbat vampire.
If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. Each non-titled Pander has 1 vote. Any Sabbat vampire may call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action.

Under Siege
Action
[1 Pool]

+1 stealth action. Unique. Requires a titled Sabbat vampire.
Put this card in play with 3 counters. Once each action, a Sabbat vampire you control can burn 1 counter from this card to untap and attempt to block with +1 intercept, even if intercept is not yet needed. Burn this card when it has no counters.

gotcha wrote:

I am probably missing something again but does a non-titled vampire that gets a vote becomes a titled vampire or is he a non-titled vampire with 1 vote?

Getting a vote from a library card, such as Legacy of Pander, Legendary Vampire , or Kduva's Mask is not a title, and does not make you titled. If it did, you could run into issues such as Queen Anne (a Prince) being given Legendary Vampire and, wait, does she suddenly have two titles, and have to yield the first one?

Some Independent vampires can be printed with titles that don't have specific names, such as Mata Hari : "Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled)." That's a title that's tied to Mata being Mata, so if she changes clan or sect, she still has it.

Thank you very much Sir

jamesatzephyr wrote:

gotcha wrote:

I am probably missing something again but does a non-titled vampire that gets a vote becomes a titled vampire or is he a non-titled vampire with 1 vote?

Getting a vote from a library card, such as Legacy of Pander, Legendary Vampire , or Kduva's Mask is not a title, and does not make you titled. If it did, you could run into issues such as Queen Anne (a Prince) being given Legendary Vampire and, wait, does she suddenly have two titles, and have to yield the first one?

Some Independent vampires can be printed with titles that don't have specific names, such as Mata Hari : "Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled)." That's a title that's tied to Mata being Mata, so if she changes clan or sect, she still has it.

Please be mindful that the cards you give as an example have "additional N votes".
Legacy of Pander has 'has 1 vote".
I'm on cell phone and checking the rules here is a pain, but doesn't that mean they become effectively titled?

Brum wrote:

Please be mindful that the cards you give as an example have "additional N votes".
Legacy of Pander has 'has 1 vote".
I'm on cell phone and checking the rules here is a pain, but doesn't that mean they become effectively titled?

No.

To become titled from a library card, it needs to say it's giving you a title. Just being granted votes by a library card does not make you titled.

The difference between Legacy of Pander and other cards is that Legacy of Pander does not stack with itself. (It used to in the past.) A vampire with two Hierophants gets two additional votes, one from each card. Having two Legacy of Panders in play does not give your Pander extra votes from the second one - thought it does potentially make it more robust, because your opponents would need to get rid of the extra card.

How does it interact with a Crusade, then?
Since it does not add votes to the vampire, just grants one, a crusaded Pander gets 2 votes from the crusade and not 3?

Name: Crusade: Atlanta
[Sabbat:R, SW:R]
Cardtype: Political Action
Requires a Sabbat vampire. Title.
If this referendum passes, put this card on the acting vampire to represent the unique Sabbat title of Archbishop of Atlanta. This could lead to a contested title.