file TIE Breaker for finals

14 Dec 2015 18:21 #74634 by Randy
TIE Breaker for finals was created by Randy
Hello.
After several encounters with final splits where one ousted player was higher seed and won. We are several ppl in sweden that wonders why this is and not winner goes to the last player on the table.

AKA beeing last player VP wins you the game if it is a splitt.

We understand that in the case of a timeout tie high seed wins but not why it would take it in a game where there is a last player standing.

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14 Dec 2015 18:52 #74635 by Ankha
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The goal of the game is to have more VPs than the others, not staying alive.
Being first seed means you have scored more VPs during the preliminary rounds; as a reward you win the final in case of a tie.

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14 Dec 2015 21:12 #74638 by Ashur
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The goal of the game is to have more VPs than the others, not staying alive.
Being first seed means you have scored more VPs during the preliminary rounds; as a reward you win the final in case of a tie.

The goal of the game can be changed, if enough people think it´s stupid. Personally I think being first seed is strong enough as you get to choose seating late. Logically being ousted out of the Eternal Struggle should mean you cannot win the Eternal Struggle (at least unless there is a timeout). Please give us some strong argument for the rules not being changed!

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14 Dec 2015 21:28 - 14 Dec 2015 21:29 #74639 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic TIE Breaker for finals

The goal of the game is to have more VPs than the others, not staying alive.
Being first seed means you have scored more VPs during the preliminary rounds; as a reward you win the final in case of a tie.

The goal of the game can be changed, if enough people think it´s stupid. Personally I think being first seed is strong enough as you get to choose seating late. Logically being ousted out of the Eternal Struggle should mean you cannot win the Eternal Struggle (at least unless there is a timeout). Please give us some strong argument for the rules not being changed!

What is the strong argument for changing it ?

(people "thinking it's stupid" is not an argument. And "logically" doesn't apply if you're refering to lore when considering tournament rules).

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14 Dec 2015 21:45 #74640 by Randy
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I think that one strong argument is that it is unintuitive that a player not in the game has a chance to win it.

Also that while in certain positions a high seed player who gets two points then gets ousted giving one point to its predator creates a potential loss position for a third player who now can freely choose to self oust if he or she wishes instead of fighting for a win.(AKA fighting for another players win). This situation is not cool. And in my opinion a player who has made it to the finals and is last person standing deservs the victory more than the player who "only" got two and then got ousted.

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14 Dec 2015 21:55 #74641 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic TIE Breaker for finals
I respect your opinion.

Personally, I think that a player who scores 3 vps and gets ousted in the duel still deserves to win the game, especially if that player exhausted all his resources and loses to a player who just waited until the others die.

If the first seed player manages to score 2 vps, then either the other players are to blame (you don't let the first seed player scores vps if you want to win, whatever position on the table he has), or the first seed was clearly superior and deserves to win.

In the situation you describe, the predator of the first seed still has a chance to get the GW so it was a bit of a gambit for the first seed player. The fact that the third player who apparently wasn't very effective (no vp at that time) has no chance of winning the tournament doesn't seem a problem to me.

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