Code of Samiel and Loving Agony
08 Apr 2016 13:34 #76315
by GreyB
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Replied by GreyB on topic Code of Samiel and Loving Agony
Predator's Transformation is the only comparable card that has a "or as a 
action" text (the "or" being the important component here).
Relevant text (Predator's Transformation):
There are many other cards with "as a action" where the explicit action precursors the action type, which makes the template: {action description} as a {action type}.
Another point, if Horseshoes can trigger Code of Samiel, then any rush action can as well, but I let me avoid that discussion.
action" text (the "or" being the important component here).Relevant text (Predator's Transformation):
]Only usable when this vampire burns a minion controlled by your prey, either in combat or as a
There are many other cards with "as a
action" where the explicit action precursors the action type, which makes the template: {action description} as a {action type}.Another point, if Horseshoes can trigger Code of Samiel, then any rush action can as well, but I let me avoid that discussion.
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08 Apr 2016 17:35 #76317
by brettscho
I'd just like to point out that the action isn't necessarily over once combat is complete. After the opposing vampire is sent to torpor via Loving Agony, you can still play Action Modifiers like Freak Drive. If the action isn't over, and the opposing minion was sent to torpor, that would seem to meet the criterion on Code of Samiel. The fact that it's unclear and that so many of these unclear situations exist is yet another great argument for a VTES reboot.
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Replied by brettscho on topic Code of Samiel and Loving Agony
The Horseshoes case is very interesting, for that to work the wording of Code of Samiel had to be: "As a result of a
I'd just like to point out that the action isn't necessarily over once combat is complete. After the opposing vampire is sent to torpor via Loving Agony, you can still play Action Modifiers like Freak Drive. If the action isn't over, and the opposing minion was sent to torpor, that would seem to meet the criterion on Code of Samiel. The fact that it's unclear and that so many of these unclear situations exist is yet another great argument for a VTES reboot.
Check out my VTES blog: Gaming with BS
I also host a google doc which separates the TWDA into clans . That means I track how often clans win, which crypt groups get used, and how many people attend events. You can access all of that info here:
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08 Apr 2016 19:45 - 08 Apr 2016 19:46 #76321
by Ankha
Your point would be valid if it was stated "if the vampire is burned... during a action."
So:
Replied by Ankha on topic Code of Samiel and Loving Agony
No, it doesn't meet the criterion. Noone contest the fact that the action is not over, but it has nothing to do with our case. The only relevant point is "what happened during the resolution of the action?" (or in combat, but that scenario seems to be quite clear for everyone).
The Horseshoes case is very interesting, for that to work the wording of Code of Samiel had to be: "As a result of a
I'd just like to point out that the action isn't necessarily over once combat is complete. After the opposing vampire is sent to torpor via Loving Agony, you can still play Action Modifiers like Freak Drive. If the action isn't over, and the opposing minion was sent to torpor, that would seem to meet the criterion on Code of Samiel.
Your point would be valid if it was stated "if the vampire is burned... during a
action."So:
- the action results in burning the opposing minion (or sending it to torpor)
- during the resolution of the action, the opposing minion burns (or is sent to torpor)
- the opposing minion is burned (or sent to torpor) as a action
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