file Code of Samiel and Loving Agony

07 Apr 2016 10:54 #76289 by jamesatzephyr

My only objection is that, in the case that I am describing, this would be a successful (D) action that is intended to burn or torporize the vampire as it is an unblocked rush action.


How would you propose to enforce the difference between a rush action intended to burn or torporize the vampire, and a rush action that was intended to cycle cards but things went in a direction you didn't expect?

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07 Apr 2016 16:08 #76290 by Robert Scythe

My only objection is that, in the case that I am describing, this would be a successful (D) action that is intended to burn or torporize the vampire as it is an unblocked rush action.


How would you propose to enforce the difference between a rush action intended to burn or torporize the vampire, and a rush action that was intended to cycle cards but things went in a direction you didn't expect?


No distinction should be necessary. Using a Red List analogy, if I were to enter combat with one, having the purest intention of just moving some cards, and were to accidentally (fortuitously?) burn that minion then I am eligible to reap the benefits no matter what my reasons for entering combat were.

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07 Apr 2016 17:38 - 07 Apr 2016 17:39 #76293 by Ankha

My only objection is that, in the case that I am describing, this would be a successful (D) action that is intended to burn or torporize the vampire as it is an unblocked rush action.


How would you propose to enforce the difference between a rush action intended to burn or torporize the vampire, and a rush action that was intended to cycle cards but things went in a direction you didn't expect?


No distinction should be necessary. Using a Red List analogy, if I were to enter combat with one, having the purest intention of just moving some cards, and were to accidentally (fortuitously?) burn that minion then I am eligible to reap the benefits no matter what my reasons for entering combat were.

Concerning combat, the whole argument is moot since both Trophy rule and Code of Samuel work if A) the opposing minion is burned in combat, whatever lead to the combat.

B) The second way to trigger the Code of Samuel is to burn the minion as (the result of a) (D) action, not *during* a (D) action.
Of course, if you burn the minion in combat during that (D) action, it works per point A)

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07 Apr 2016 17:59 #76294 by Robert Scythe

The second way to trigger the Code of Samuel is to burn the minion as (the result of a) (D) action, not *during* a (D) action.


The second way to trigger Code of Samiel is also to torporize a minion as (the result of a) (D) action which seems to have happened through a card played during the resolution of the successful (D) action that resulted in the torporization of the target in the scenario proposed.

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07 Apr 2016 18:03 #76295 by Ankha

The second way to trigger the Code of Samuel is to burn the minion as (the result of a) (D) action, not *during* a (D) action.


The second way to trigger Code of Samiel is also to torporize a minion as (the result of a) (D) action which seems to have happened through a card played during the resolution of the successful (D) action that resulted in the torporization of the target in the scenario proposed.

The damage from Loving Agony is not part of the resolution of the action. In your scenario, the action was a rush that was unblocked. The resolution is a combat between the acting minion and the target, nothing more.

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07 Apr 2016 18:09 #76296 by Robert Scythe
I understand how you both are trying to incorporate and hold up LSJ's logic in ruling a deterrent for the abuse of Trophy: Progeny in the self destruction of an acting Red List vampire, but I do not believe that it should apply here.

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