Strikes against Lucian, the Perfect

Hello,

What are "strikes against Lucian" ?

Is "Majesty" a strike against Lucian?
(I guess "Catatonic Fear" must be.)

How about dodge?

Any and all strikes during a combat with Lucian?

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Lucian, the Perfect

[Guruhi]
Capacity: 11
Group: 4

Laibon:
Strikes against Lucian cost an additional blood or life. A minion opposing Lucian may choose not to strike.
+3 bleed.

Ankha wrote:

"Strikes against Lucian" are strikes played in combat against Lucian. It applies to combat ends, dodge, even strikes directed to a retainer attached to Lucian.

Got it.

Thank you, Ankha!

Ankha wrote:

"Strikes against Lucian" are strikes played in combat against Lucian. It applies to combat ends, dodge, even strikes directed to a retainer attached to Lucian.

Precedent on "strikes against" says no, and there is an explicit ruling on retainers attached to Lucian. The implication of the rulings is that "strikes against" Lucian must target Lucian, not merely be played in the same combat as him.

[LSJ 20031118]

LSJ wrote:

> Gemini's Mirror, superior:
>
> Only usable before range is determined. When resolving each strike
> against this vampire, flip a coin. If it's tails, the strike has no
> effect on this vampire. This lasts until heads is flipped or combat
> ends. A vampire can only play one Gemini's Mirror each combat.
[...]
> Vampire A plays Gemini's Mirror at superior
[...]
> Vampire B plays superior majesty
>
> Is the majesty affected by the Gemini's Mirror? In other words, is it
> considered a strike 'against vampire A'?

No.

> What if Vampire B plays Dodge instead?

Same effect either way, but still: no.

> or a superior Stutterstep?

The dodge dodges. The damage doesn't land (if tails).

> or a superior canine horde targetting the magnum?

Superior GM only protects the minion. It isn't a dodge.

> or an inferior canine horde targetting mr. winthrop?

OK.

> or a superior Catatonic fear?
> and if the range was close and he played that Catatonic fear?

Ends combat. No damage is done if tails is flipped (or
if range is long).

The difference with Catatonic Fear (superior) is that it is also a damage dealing strike - thus being made 'against' the opponent.


[LSJ 20090528]

LSJ wrote:

REVERSAL: When playing a Target Retainer to make the strike be a strike against
something not-Lucian [the Perfect], Lucian [the Perfect]'s ability doesn't apply.

So you are implying that "STRIKES AGAINST" are only card effects that threaten to damage?

2wayspeaker wrote:

So you are implying that "STRIKES AGAINST" are only card effects that threaten to damage?

I kinda looks like LSJ is "ruling" that "strikes against" are only strike effects that affect an opponent directly.
So:
Catatonic Fear @ inferior would not cost extra blood (does not affect Lucian).
Catatonic Fear @ superior would cost an extra blood.(does affect Lucian).