Diablerie, blood hunt, and Freak Drive
31 May 2017 16:05 #82071
by jamesatzephyr
Because after diablerie, a bloodhunt may be called on the diablerist. The current action is put to one side while that is handled. Then you return to the action / combat.
If you've been telling people that the action ends when it doesn't, then yes, you will indeed be causing a lot of confusion. I have no doubt that telling people wrong information will mean that you cause confusion.
Diablerie resolves when it happens. You put whatever is happening to one side, wherever you are currently in the game, handle the bloodhunt referendum, and then resume the action. This will happen at different points of the game if:
- you are successful in a diablerie action
- you are successful in blocking a leave torpor action, and commit diablerie
- you diablerise a vampire in combat using Amaranth
In much the same way, damage resolution happens whenever you have damage to handle, even though that might be from a strike, a successful action inflicting damage, Weather Control pre-range, Catatonic Fear post-combat etc. All at different points in time, but you handle the damage whenever it occurs.
Along similar lines, you handle diablerie whenever it occurs.
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Diablerie, blood hunt, and Freak Drive
Then why does the Rulebook (6.5.5) state:
"After diablerie, a blood hunt may be called on the diablerist."
Because after diablerie, a bloodhunt may be called on the diablerist. The current action is put to one side while that is handled. Then you return to the action / combat.
This is causing a lot of confusion (jamesatzephyr, before you jump in saying it's not causing confusion, I'm referring to another forum where it is indeed causing a lot of confusion).
If you've been telling people that the action ends when it doesn't, then yes, you will indeed be causing a lot of confusion. I have no doubt that telling people wrong information will mean that you cause confusion.
Does diablerie resolve before the action resolves? Where exactly in the overall action does diablerie resolve? Where exactly does the action get interrupted, then resume?
Diablerie resolves when it happens. You put whatever is happening to one side, wherever you are currently in the game, handle the bloodhunt referendum, and then resume the action. This will happen at different points of the game if:
- you are successful in a diablerie action
- you are successful in blocking a leave torpor action, and commit diablerie
- you diablerise a vampire in combat using Amaranth
In much the same way, damage resolution happens whenever you have damage to handle, even though that might be from a strike, a successful action inflicting damage, Weather Control pre-range, Catatonic Fear post-combat etc. All at different points in time, but you handle the damage whenever it occurs.
Along similar lines, you handle diablerie whenever it occurs.
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31 May 2017 17:08 #82072
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I don't support nor use the Detailed Play Summary. I don't know which steps you're talking about.In terms of the Detailed Play summary 6.2.3 (how to perform actions):
1. Diablerie action resolves (step D 2b).
2. Blood hunt referendum interrupts action between step D 2b and step E
3. Action resumes at step E
Is this correct or incorrect?
What do you mean by different? In one case, the vampires are in combat, so I suppose whatever timing you are referring to are different.Would the timing of the blood hunt referendum be different if the diablerie happened in combat via Amaranth vs the diablerie action?
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31 May 2017 17:10 #82073
by Ankha
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That.Along similar lines, you handle diablerie whenever it occurs.
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31 May 2017 19:54 #82079
by TwoRazorReign
Nope. I haven't participated in the other forum I am referring to. That confusion was caused by the rulebook. I'm posting here because that forum made me curious.
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This is causing a lot of confusion (jamesatzephyr, before you jump in saying it's not causing confusion, I'm referring to another forum where it is indeed causing a lot of confusion).
If you've been telling people that the action ends when it doesn't, then yes, you will indeed be causing a lot of confusion. I have no doubt that telling people wrong information will mean that you cause confusion.
Nope. I haven't participated in the other forum I am referring to. That confusion was caused by the rulebook. I'm posting here because that forum made me curious.
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31 May 2017 20:08 - 31 May 2017 20:09 #82080
by TwoRazorReign
Ah, okay. Fair enough. the Detailed Play Summary helps me understand some of the finer timing points. But I seem to be in the minority of people who use it.
Okay, thanks for replying.
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I don't support nor use the Detailed Play Summary. I don't know which steps you're talking about.In terms of the Detailed Play summary 6.2.3 (how to perform actions):
1. Diablerie action resolves (step D 2b).
2. Blood hunt referendum interrupts action between step D 2b and step E
3. Action resumes at step E
Is this correct or incorrect?
Ah, okay. Fair enough. the Detailed Play Summary helps me understand some of the finer timing points. But I seem to be in the minority of people who use it.
What do you mean by different? In one case, the vampires are in combat, so I suppose whatever timing you are referring to are different.Would the timing of the blood hunt referendum be different if the diablerie happened in combat via Amaranth vs the diablerie action?
Okay, thanks for replying.
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