Direct action question
20 Jun 2018 17:53 - 20 Jun 2018 17:55 #88315
by nergalmcl
Direct action question was created by nergalmcl
Hey;
Player 1 plays Shell Break.
Then he did says that the Direct Action from Shell Break turns out to be undirect because he choose a minion to put the card that he's control, and the action has +1 stealth, because the undirect, this is right?
Just a example: if i burn a location that is on my control with Arson, is that undirect so has +1 stealth?
Or if a burn a vampire in my torpor with Dismemberment of Osiris, turn to be undirect and has +1 stealth?
Cards mentioned in spoiler below.
Player 1 plays Shell Break.
Then he did says that the Direct Action from Shell Break turns out to be undirect because he choose a minion to put the card that he's control, and the action has +1 stealth, because the undirect, this is right?
Just a example: if i burn a location that is on my control with Arson, is that undirect so has +1 stealth?
Or if a burn a vampire in my torpor with Dismemberment of Osiris, turn to be undirect and has +1 stealth?
Cards mentioned in spoiler below.
Warning: Spoiler!
Shell Break, Action, Giovanni
Put this card on a ready unique non-wraith, non-zombie minion who does not already have a Shell Break. If that minion is burned, move this card to the Giovanni who put this card in play. This card then represents a wraith retainer with 2 life who is immune to non-aggravated damage. The minion with this retainer gets +1 bleed and +1 intercept.
Arson, Action
Do not replace until the end of this action.
Burn a location.
Dismemberment of Osiris, Action, 1 blood, Serpentis,
[ser]
Burn a titled vampire in torpor. This does not constitute diablerie. Each ready vampire of the same clan as the titled vampire burns 1 blood.
[SER] As above, and the controller of the titled vampire burns 1 pool.

Arson, Action
Do not replace until the end of this action.

Dismemberment of Osiris, Action, 1 blood, Serpentis,
[ser]

[SER] As above, and the controller of the titled vampire burns 1 pool.
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20 Jun 2018 18:27 #88316
by self biased
Replied by self biased on topic Direct action question
undirected actions do not automatically get +1 stealth.
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20 Jun 2018 20:17 #88317
by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic Direct action question
It is a common mistake to assume that directed actions against your own minions gain +1 stealth simply by turning into undirected actions. This is usually because players assume that the rescue-a-vampire-from-torpor action (0-stealth directed action against another Methuselah or a +1 stealth undirected action against yourself) is analogous to the behavior for all directed-to-undirected actions.
This might be a good FAQ question or comment to place in the rulebook. This mistake has been made since Jyhad and extra clarity cannot hurt.
This might be a good FAQ question or comment to place in the rulebook. This mistake has been made since Jyhad and extra clarity cannot hurt.
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21 Jun 2018 01:23 - 21 Jun 2018 01:44 #88323
by nergalmcl
So taking that aside,
action just have stealth if the card text has stealth?
Btw, the direct on me, prey or predator can block as normal or need Eagle Sight?
Replied by nergalmcl on topic Direct action question
Sorry, my bad.undirected actions do not automatically get +1 stealth.
So taking that aside,

Btw, the direct on me, prey or predator can block as normal or need Eagle Sight?
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21 Jun 2018 02:37 - 21 Jun 2018 02:38 #88324
by self biased
no worries, friend.
Generally speaking Actions that aren't Employ, Equip, Political,or Recruit actions (which do have a stock +1 Stealth, along with a few of the cardless actions) will only have Stealth if it's on the card or if they gain stealth through some kind of effect. What probably added to your confusion is that it's relatively common to see the phrase "if this targets one of your own minions, the action is at +1 Stealth" on some
actions. Targeting your own cards is never a
action, and can be blocked by your prey, predator, or someone using Eagle's sight.
For example, if you wanted to Arson your own Location, it's an undirected action.
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(6.2.2) Who May Attempt to Block: If the action targets one or more other Methuselahs (or things controlled by other Methuselahs), then the action is called directed, and only the Methuselahs who are targeted (or control the targets) may use their ready unlocked minions to attempt to block the action (going clockwise from the acting Methuselah, as usual). If the action is not directed at another Methuselah (or at something controlled by another Methuselah), then the action is called undirected and can be blocked by the acting Methuselah’s prey or predator, with the prey getting the first opportunity to block. If one attempt to block fails, another can be made as often as the blocking Methuselah wishes. Once a Methuselah decides not to make any further attempts to block, that decision is final. As a convenience, when a card describes an action that is typically directed at another Methuselah, the card’s text will usually include a
symbol as a reminder that the action is typically directed. Remember, political actions are always undirected.
no worries, friend.
Generally speaking Actions that aren't Employ, Equip, Political,or Recruit actions (which do have a stock +1 Stealth, along with a few of the cardless actions) will only have Stealth if it's on the card or if they gain stealth through some kind of effect. What probably added to your confusion is that it's relatively common to see the phrase "if this targets one of your own minions, the action is at +1 Stealth" on some


For example, if you wanted to Arson your own Location, it's an undirected action.
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21 Jun 2018 08:05 #88326
by Lönkka
Replied by Lönkka on topic Direct action question
If the action is an action you are performing with a card then that card says if you have stealth and how much.
The only cardless actions that have inherent stealth (+1) are:
-hunt
-rescuing your own vampire from torpor
If you do an undirected action your prey and predator can always hoose to try to block. Others could also try but only with the aid of certain cards like Eagle's Sight etc.
The only cardless actions that have inherent stealth (+1) are:
-hunt
-rescuing your own vampire from torpor
If you do an undirected action your prey and predator can always hoose to try to block. Others could also try but only with the aid of certain cards like Eagle's Sight etc.
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