file Daring the Dawn and then Mask of a Thousand Faces

09 Mar 2021 14:34 #101811 by inm8
Ankha would be great if you could add some more reasoning behind why....the quoted ruling doesn't really make it clear...one could argue that the damaging effect would trigger as the card is played queuing up damage to be applied after action resolution to the vampire that played it and thereby be treated like card cost that one pays as the card is played  and that is per ruling not passed to the masking minion. The effect "This action cannot be blocked by vampires" would be a lingering effect that is affecting the action as a whole that the masked minion is taking over and therefore benefits from that effect.

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13 Mar 2021 09:44 - 13 Mar 2021 09:44 #101842 by Ankha

Ankha would be great if you could add some more reasoning behind why....the quoted ruling doesn't really make it clear...one could argue that the damaging effect would trigger as the card is played queuing up damage to be applied after action resolution to the vampire that played it and thereby be treated like card cost that one pays as the card is played  and that is per ruling not passed to the masking minion. The effect "This action cannot be blocked by vampires" would be a lingering effect that is affecting the action as a whole that the masked minion is taking over and therefore benefits from that effect.

 

The effect of Daring the Dawn carries over the new acting minion. This means that the new acting minion cannot be blocked by vampires, and will take the aggravated damage after the resolution of the action.
The former acting minion is not involved anymore, as if it never had been the acting minion (despite any blood spend before playing the Mask).
 

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Last edit: 13 Mar 2021 09:44 by Ankha.
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14 Mar 2021 17:48 - 14 Mar 2021 17:52 #101849 by inm8
Thanks for your explanation. If i understand your reasoning correctly of why the masking minion (B) also takes over the damaging effect is because it is to be considered as if it was the masking minion (B) all along and the masked minion (A) was never involved which thematically and intent wise can make sense. But i don´t understand how you come to the conclusion based on these card´s text  I still don´t find this ruling  and previous LSJ one (below) to be very intuitive and seems to be a ruling to align more with the idea/intent of the card then the explicit implementation/card text. 
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LSJ wrote:

All effects that had been applied to the action or the acting minion carry over as if they had been applied with the Masker as the acting minion. 


If Daring the Dawn would be written as below it would make more sense for it to also be carried over to the masking minion:

[for] Vampires cannot block this action. This The acting vampire takes 2 unpreventable environmental aggravated damage after action resolution.

Mask of a Thousand Faces text "The action continues with this vampire as the acting minion." changes who is the acting minion for the action not the targets of previously played cards/effects.

One could also argue that if Daring of the Dawn has been played the action can´t be masked anymore for the same reason as Aching Beauty... (similar text wise using "this") per ruling if Aching Beauty effect has been activated on minion (A) the action can´t be masked even if the masking minion (B) also has an Aching Beauty.
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Name: Aching Beauty
[Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U, KoT:U, FB:PTo3]
Cardtype: Master
Clan: Toreador
Cost: 2 pool
Put this card on any Toreador. If this Toreador is blocked, the blocking minion's controller burns 1 pool before block resolution.
Artist: Dave Roach & Pete Burges; Chris Stevens; Dave Roach & Pete Burges

 

LSJ wrote:

Any minion can mask before the Aching Beauty on the first Toreador
is activated (i.e., before the pool is burned).


After it is activated, only a minion with *that* Aching Beauty can
mask, which means that no minion can mask, since the only minion
with that Aching Beauty is the acting minion.

Last edit: 14 Mar 2021 17:52 by inm8.

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