file What if Byzar becomes Nosferatu...

21 Apr 2021 10:17 #102086 by Rémi
Dear All,

Here is my Scenario:
I control Warsow Station
Byzar has no "Burn Counter"
Byzar uses successfuly Clan Impersonation to become Nosferatu.
Byzar goes to torpor with 5 blood.
My ready vampire A with 3 blood goes for Byzar'sdiablerie. That action is successful.
My ready vampire B has 3 blood.

So, the following happens:
Diablerie sequence from the rulebook
- 1 : Vampire A steal all the blood from Byzar
- 2 : Vampire A may steal any equipment from Byzar
- 3 : Try to burn Byzar
=> Byzar is not burnt and get 1 "Burn Token"

May I do the following now?
- I burn the Warsaw Station before The blood hunt is called? I think yes.
- If I can but the Warsaw Station as stated before, may I then play Ritual of the Bitter Roses? I would say yes.
To sum up if I am not wrong:
Before the blood hunt referendum starts, I have:
- Vampire A has 3(the blood he has before the diablerie action) + 5(blood from diablerie) + 5(from Ritual of the Bitter roses) = 13 blood
- Byzar in the ready Region with 5 blood (from Ritual of the Bitter roses).
- vampires B has 3 + 5(from Ritual of the Bitter roses) = 8 blood.

Card Texts:
Name: Byzar
Cardtype: Vampire
Sabbat: If Byzar would be burned, {instead} put 1 burn counter on him and move him to torpor{}. If he has 3 burn counters, remove him from the game. +1 stealth.

Name: Clan Impersonation
Cardtype: Action
Choose a clan and put this card on the acting vampire. This vampire is considered to be of the chosen clan instead of his or her original clan (if any). This vampire can burn this card as an action.

Name: Warsaw Station
Cardtype: Master
You can burn this card (even if it is locked) to move a Nosferatu in torpor to the ready region.

Name: Ritual of the Bitter Rose
Each ready vampire you control gains an amount of blood from the blood bank equal to the amount of blood on a vampire being burned either by diablerie or while in combat with this vampire.

Thanks in advance,
Rémi.
 

I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (SPAIN). I was the Prince of Lyon (FRANCE) in 2003 :)

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21 Apr 2021 10:42 #102088 by Timo
IIRC the whole diablerie is atomic and can't be interrupted.

So you don't have the opportunity to use an effect (including WS) to move byzar from torpor to the ready region between the "burn effect" and the blood hunt.
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22 Apr 2021 10:14 #102096 by Kiddo

IIRC the whole diablerie is atomic 

Yes, it sure can be! 

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22 Apr 2021 13:38 #102100 by lip
Byzar's ability make the whole diablery unsuccessful.

His ability will make a diablerie unsuccessful (blood and equipment stay on him).

[LSJ 20100228]

So his blood stays where it is, Ritual of the Bitter Rose cannot be played, there is no blood hunt.
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22 Apr 2021 17:22 #102101 by Rémi
Dear all,

Thanks Lip, sorry I forgot to double-check the Codex before posting!
Anymway, does this rulings also works for Sacrificial Lamb?

I would say that it may not be possible to move equipment since the card text refers to "burnt vampire".

Card Text:
Name: Sacrificial Lamb
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 3 blood
Discipline: Obfuscate
[obf] Burn a vampire in torpor that you control. The acting vampire gains blood equal to the burned vampire's capacity (ignore excess blood). You may also transfer equipment from the burned vampire to this one. This action is not considered diablerie.

Regards,
Rémi.

I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (SPAIN). I was the Prince of Lyon (FRANCE) in 2003 :)

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22 Apr 2021 19:21 #102107 by lip
Well, no idea on that ☺︎ I would say it fizzles since the vampire does not burn, but I'm no RD ☺︎

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