file Fall of London Card rules questions

06 Jul 2024 19:02 #111940 by Xto316
Can i Use The Shard, London with Antoine D’Erlette’s ability with Nephandus ?

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06 Jul 2024 19:05 #111941 by Xto316
Can i Use The Shard, London with Antoine D’Erlette ability when i put a Nephandus in play?

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17 Jul 2024 21:04 #112057 by Ankha

Can usa The Guardian ability with cards like On the Qui Vive or Wake the Evening’s Fresh for example?

No. "Lock this card to do something" requires the card to be unlocked in the first place, since it is a cost ("to").
"Lock this card. Do something." would be different, but it's not the case here.

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17 Jul 2024 21:06 #112058 by Ankha

Can i Use The Shard, London with Antoine D’Erlette’s ability with Nephandus ?

Yes, the same way you could use Powerbase: Tshwane (similar cardtext).

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18 Jul 2024 05:10 #112060 by Nac
Hi

Could I ask why this work while disguised + vidal jarbeaux doesnt? Both cases you are not playing the card by definition of what played means inside the game, by detailed play summary. There is not an "as played window" on both cases but for vidal, it does check while the shard does not check while having played at text: "If you have the Edge, you can lock this card to reduce the cost of a card you play by 2 pool or blood"-
I'm not trying to object a rulling, I'm just confused about when one applies and when it does not

Many thanks in advance

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18 Jul 2024 07:14 #112061 by acbishop
Camarilla: Vidal can meet the clan, sect, or non-infernal vampire trait (e.g., Black Hand) requirement to play any card. He can meet a given requirement only once each game. +1 bleed.

Disguised Weapon
Obfuscate
Only usable before range is chosen if you have a weapon card in your hand.
Equip this vampire with that weapon (and pay cost to equip as normal).
As above, but usable when choosing a strike.


Powerbase: Tshwane

Master: unique location. Requires a ready Laibon.
Lock this location to reduce the cost of a card you play by 1 pool (this location is not locked if that card is canceled as it is played).



The main differences are that Vidal can PLAY cards, disguised and concealed weapon say EQUIP.

Shard and the Powerbase indicate cards that YOU ( the player) play, not vidal, which cover a broader range of cards. So for the Shard the condition of being a card played by you is fulfilled

When you use Concealed weapon the card say equip the minion but it is not Vidal equipping with it, it's Concealed weapon card special card text, therefore Vidal ability is not checked and all the normal rules and restrictions for equipping must be fulfilled

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