Heaven's Gate vs Charigger the Axe
15 Aug 2023 09:32 - 15 Aug 2023 09:39 #109037
by lip
Heaven's Gate vs Charigger the Axe was created by lip
A has Ossian in play and a vampire with , B has a vampire with Charigger, The Axe. Ossian burns in combat. Can A play Heaven's Gate before Charigger's ability triggers?
1. It depends on who's acting (Sequencing)
2. No, Charigger's ability always takes precedence
Relevant rulings: [ANK 20210627] [LSJ 20071003]
Note that it's clear that both (as replacement effects) have precedence over effects that depend on the minion burning (eg. Kherebutu and other mummies)
Only usable by a ready unlocked vampire not involved in the combat.
Prevent 1 damage to an ally in combat.
Only usable if an ally would be burned in combat. Instead, they gain 1 life if they have no life, and they cannot enter (or be involved in) combat, perform actions, or block this turn; end combat.
As above, but add 2 life if they have no life, not to exceed their starting life.
1. It depends on who's acting (Sequencing)
2. No, Charigger's ability always takes precedence
Relevant rulings: [ANK 20210627] [LSJ 20071003]
Note that it's clear that both (as replacement effects) have precedence over effects that depend on the minion burning (eg. Kherebutu and other mummies)
Heaven's Gate
Only usable by a ready unlocked vampire not involved in the combat.
Prevent 1 damage to an ally in combat.
Only usable if an ally would be burned in combat. Instead, they gain 1 life if they have no life, and they cannot enter (or be involved in) combat, perform actions, or block this turn; end combat.
As above, but add 2 life if they have no life, not to exceed their starting life.
Last edit: 15 Aug 2023 09:39 by lip.
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15 Aug 2023 11:46 #109038
by Hakuron
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Replied by Hakuron on topic Heaven's Gate vs Charigger the Axe
It should first depend on the impulse and second on the chosen sequencing.
I compare it with the question "Who is allowed to announce a block ignoring the regular restrictions first". It is not Anneke by default, it is the player who gets the impulse first.
Thus if player A were acting/had the impulse he could play "Heaven's Gate" before the effect of "Charigger, The Axe", and if player B were acting/had the impulse then the effect of "Charigger, The Axe" would kick in first.
And a player controlling both a Vampire with Obeah and "Charigger, The Axe" should be allowed to choose if he wished to play "Heaven's Gate" before the effect of "Charigger, The Axe" kicks in.
I compare it with the question "Who is allowed to announce a block ignoring the regular restrictions first". It is not Anneke by default, it is the player who gets the impulse first.
Thus if player A were acting/had the impulse he could play "Heaven's Gate" before the effect of "Charigger, The Axe", and if player B were acting/had the impulse then the effect of "Charigger, The Axe" would kick in first.
And a player controlling both a Vampire with Obeah and "Charigger, The Axe" should be allowed to choose if he wished to play "Heaven's Gate" before the effect of "Charigger, The Axe" kicks in.
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16 Aug 2023 05:45 #109057
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Heaven's Gate vs Charigger the Axe
Correct.It should first depend on the impulse and second on the chosen sequencing.
I compare it with the question "Who is allowed to announce a block ignoring the regular restrictions first". It is not Anneke by default, it is the player who gets the impulse first.
Thus if player A were acting/had the impulse he could play "Heaven's Gate" before the effect of "Charigger, The Axe", and if player B were acting/had the impulse then the effect of "Charigger, The Axe" would kick in first.
And a player controlling both a Vampire with Obeah and "Charigger, The Axe" should be allowed to choose if he wished to play "Heaven's Gate" before the effect of "Charigger, The Axe" kicks in.
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