file Self-contest equipment after banishment

23 Aug 2024 12:21 #112394 by acbishop
Hello,

from the discord as we are not reaching a consensus

my vampire A is equipped with an Ivory Bow, then that vampire got a Banishment.

While vampire A is uncontrolled I play a second Ivory box with vampire B, as the Ivory bow is not "in play"

But I like my vampire A, so I influence vampire A back, and with that vampire it comes a second copy of Ivory bow

Options we have discussed in discord:

A -> you are not allowed to influence vampire A back as that would make a voluntary self-contest of the Ivory Bow

B-> you can influence vampire A, when it comes into play, the Ivory bow of vampire A burns automatically.

B1 -> In case B is the correct one, is the Ivory bow on vampire B out of the game till my next unlock phase as it was contested ? or the ivory bow on vampire B is still there ready to use?

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23 Aug 2024 16:17 #112395 by DavidR
Almost sure that the ivory bow on the banished Vampire A was still "in play", only on a vampire in uncontroled region, and if i'm correct you can't play a second ivory bow on Vampire B, and if another matuselah play ivory bow on one of they vampires will contest with uncontroled ivory bow that belongs to vampire A

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23 Aug 2024 16:49 #112396 by acbishop
No, that's the part we are sure, when the vampire is uncontrolled, all the cards are out of game and not contest with anyone.

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23 Aug 2024 16:49 #112397 by Hobbesgoblin

Almost sure that the ivory bow on the banished Vampire A was still "in play", only on a vampire in uncontroled region, and if i'm correct you can't play a second ivory bow on Vampire B, and if another matuselah play ivory bow on one of they vampires will contest with uncontroled ivory bow that belongs to vampire A

Card attached to the banished vampire are out of play by explicit card text.

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23 Aug 2024 20:11 #112398 by Coyote
Whenever you force a card into play (Vast wealth, Repo man...) when it is not allowed to enter play, that card is immediately burned.

When the vampire enters into play, it is also putting into play the ivory bow. And it is immediately burned.
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23 Aug 2024 21:33 #112399 by Oracle.kid
The opposing argument was that you are prohibited from bringing your vampire into play again, because your second Ivory Bow would contest - and you are forbidden from self-contestation.
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