Yoruba Shrine Questions
29 Jan 2026 11:40 - 29 Jan 2026 11:42 #116295
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Does the secondary effect of Dismemberment of Osiris and of Praxis Seizure: Istanbul count as targeting a Banu Haqim or including a Banu Haqim in the terms of a referendum?
Dismemberment of Osiris
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Serpentis
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Burn a titled vampire in torpor (this is not diablerie). Each ready vampire of the same clan as the titled vampire burns 1 blood.
[SER] As above, and the titled vampire's controller burns 1 pool.
Artist: Steve Ellis
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Serpentis
[ser]
[SER] As above, and the titled vampire's controller burns 1 pool.
Artist: Steve Ellis
Praxis Seizure: Istanbul
Cardtype: Political Action
Title. Requires a Camarilla vampire.
Successful referendum means this card is put on this vampire to represent the unique Camarilla title of Prince of Istanbul, and if this vampire is not a Banu Haqim, lock all Banu Haqim. In this referendum, each ready Banu Haqim gets +1 vote.
Artist: Mark Tedin
Title. Requires a Camarilla vampire.
Successful referendum means this card is put on this vampire to represent the unique Camarilla title of Prince of Istanbul, and if this vampire is not a Banu Haqim, lock all Banu Haqim. In this referendum, each ready Banu Haqim gets +1 vote.
Artist: Mark Tedin
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Last edit: 29 Jan 2026 11:42 by the1andonlime.
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29 Jan 2026 16:01 #116300
by Ankha
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I think you're missing the key part: the Yoruba Shrine.
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29 Jan 2026 21:34 #116302
by the1andonlime
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Ah, yes
Yoruba Shrine
Cardtype: Master
Clan: Banu Haqim
Cost: 1 pool
Unique location.
If a ready Banu Haqim you control is the target of a directed action or is chosen by the acting Methuselah in the terms of a referendum, you can lock this location to unlock the acting minion and have the action or referendum fail. Only usable as the directed action is announced or during the polling step of the referendum before votes and ballots are cast.
Artist: James Stowe
Clan: Banu Haqim
Cost: 1 pool
Unique location.
If a ready Banu Haqim you control is the target of a directed action or is chosen by the acting Methuselah in the terms of a referendum, you can lock this location to unlock the acting minion and have the action or referendum fail. Only usable as the directed action is announced or during the polling step of the referendum before votes and ballots are cast.
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07 Feb 2026 12:33 #116357
by Bloodartist
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I am fairly certain the answer is yes to both cases, assuming the Yoruba shrine controller controls a ready Banu Haqim that would be affected by the successful referendum.
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09 Feb 2026 07:40 #116372
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The Banu Haqim is not selected or chosen, so no.
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Does the secondary effect of Dismemberment of Osiris and of Praxis Seizure: Istanbul count as targeting a Banu Haqim or including a Banu Haqim in the terms of a referendum?
The Banu Haqim is not selected or chosen, so no.
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09 Feb 2026 08:13 - 09 Feb 2026 09:17 #116373
by Bloodartist
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It is chosen explicitly. "Lock all Banu Haqim". The condition is either true or false, which is evident at the time the political action is taken. So when the action is taken, it is clear whether or not it chooses and targets Banu Haqim. If the condition is true, then Yoruba Shrine could be used in my opinion.
Similar wording was ruled to be a d-action in the case of condemn the sins of the father. If a clan is chosen. then all members of the clan are chosen, and it is a d-action against all players who control any Banu Haqim simultaneously.
Although PS:I is not a directed action, Yoruba shrines wording extends the same effect to political referendums, and since the wording is the same, I dont see how it could not count as chosen. The condition does not change anything.
I am only expecting consistency with your previous rulings on similar cards.
Similar wording was ruled to be a d-action in the case of condemn the sins of the father. If a clan is chosen. then all members of the clan are chosen, and it is a d-action against all players who control any Banu Haqim simultaneously.
Although PS:I is not a directed action, Yoruba shrines wording extends the same effect to political referendums, and since the wording is the same, I dont see how it could not count as chosen. The condition does not change anything.
I am only expecting consistency with your previous rulings on similar cards.
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