Yoruba Shrine Questions
18 Mar 2026 22:17 #116708
by mipopo3
Because its does not meet the activation condition of targeting a ready vampire, in that Dismemberment is targeting a Not Ready vampire.
While Condemn Sins of the Father targets a Ready vampire.
Replied by mipopo3 on topic Yoruba Shrine Questions
That's not my point
Yoruba Shrine only protects ready vampires.Dismemberment of Osiris says "Burn a title vampire in torpor."
My question is that if the shrine works for the "<do things to vampires of X>" for Condemn the Sins of the Father, why does it not work for "<do things to vampires of X>" for Dismemberment?
Because its does not meet the activation condition of targeting a ready vampire, in that Dismemberment is targeting a Not Ready vampire.
While Condemn Sins of the Father targets a Ready vampire.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
19 Mar 2026 09:08 - 19 Mar 2026 09:21 #116710
by Ankha
Just as a recap:
For political actions (Praxis Seizure: Istanbul), the terms are defined in the sentences before "Successful referendum means...".
For actions, the target (if any) is in the first sentence or first pair of sentences in the case of "Choose X. Do Y to X."
For instance, for Dismemberment of Osiris, the only target of the action is the titled vampire in torpor (first sentence). The second sentence is a consequence of the first.
Consider
Name: Kindred Spirits
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Dementation
[dem]
Bleed any Methuselah. Gain 1 pool if the bleed is successful (for 1 or more).
[DEM] As above, with +1 bleed.
Even though you gain 1 pool, you're not the target of the action.
Replied by Ankha on topic Yoruba Shrine Questions
Sorry to harp on it but I am still a little confused as to where the line is drawn
Condemn the Sins of the Father says "Choose a clan. <do stuff to vampires of that clan>" and Dismemberment of Osiris says "Burn a title vampire in torpor. <do stuff to vampires of the same clan>"
They feel to me like they are similar in targeting but you are saying no
So I am just curious as to how to apply the logic to here (and for other similar cards)
Just as a recap:
For political actions (Praxis Seizure: Istanbul), the terms are defined in the sentences before "Successful referendum means...".
For actions, the target (if any) is in the first sentence or first pair of sentences in the case of "Choose X. Do Y to X."
For instance, for Dismemberment of Osiris, the only target of the action is the titled vampire in torpor (first sentence). The second sentence is a consequence of the first.
Consider
Name: Kindred Spirits
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Dementation
[dem]
Bleed any Methuselah. Gain 1 pool if the bleed is successful (for 1 or more).[DEM] As above, with +1 bleed.
Even though you gain 1 pool, you're not the target of the action.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
19 Mar 2026 14:33 - 19 Mar 2026 14:46 #116711
by mipopo3
Think i see the issue.
Condemn is a Directed action, you declare Banu Haqim, it does not target one vampire, but all Banu Haqim, its still a Directed action.
While text on the Shrine :" If a ready Banu Haqim you control is the target of a directed action"
Thus the distinction.
*Edit*
Vampires in torpor are Not in Ready region, thus are Not Ready.
Once case where Condemn cant be stopped with Shrine, is if all your Banu Haqim are in Torpor.
Replied by mipopo3 on topic Yoruba Shrine Questions
Both affect ready vampires as effectively a secondary effect and both have the same sentence structure
Dismemberment primarily chooses a titled vampire in torpor
Condemn primarily chooses a clan
So if Yoruba works against the "secondary" effect of Condemn and not against that of Dismemberment, I would like to understand the rationale behind that
Your assertion about targetting "a" ready vampire would probably hold up stronger if Condemn says "Lock all younger ready vampires of a clan of your choosing" but it doesn't (designer intent is typically irrelevant to card text) and that matters once we get into the reeds
Think i see the issue.
Condemn is a Directed action, you declare Banu Haqim, it does not target one vampire, but all Banu Haqim, its still a Directed action.
Warning: Spoiler!
While text on the Shrine :" If a ready Banu Haqim you control is the target of a directed action"
Warning: Spoiler!
Thus the distinction.
*Edit*
Vampires in torpor are Not in Ready region, thus are Not Ready.
Warning: Spoiler!
Once case where Condemn cant be stopped with Shrine, is if all your Banu Haqim are in Torpor.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
Time to create page: 0.073 seconds
- You are here:
-
Home
-
Forum
-
V:TES Discussion
-
Rules Questions
- Yoruba Shrine Questions