Yoruba Shrine Questions

Ankha wrote:

Hobbesgoblin wrote:

If I chose bani Haqim for Consanguineous Condemnation, can this vote be canceled by yoruba shrine?

No, you're choosing a clan.

mipopo3 wrote:

the1andonlime wrote:

Both affect ready vampires as effectively a secondary effect and both have the same sentence structure

Dismemberment primarily chooses a titled vampire in torpor
Condemn primarily chooses a clan

So if Yoruba works against the "secondary" effect of Condemn and not against that of Dismemberment, I would like to understand the rationale behind that

Your assertion about targetting "a" ready vampire would probably hold up stronger if Condemn says "Lock all younger ready vampires of a clan of your choosing" but it doesn't (designer intent is typically irrelevant to card text) and that matters once we get into the reeds

Think i see the issue.

Condemn is a Directed action, you declare Banu Haqim, it does not target one vampire, but all Banu Haqim, its still a Directed action.

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+1 stealth action.
Quietus Ⓓ Choose a clan. Lock all younger vampires of the chosen clan.
Superior Quietus As above, and each of those vampires burns 1 blood.

While text on the Shrine :" If a ready Banu Haqim you control is the target of a directed action"

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Unique location.
If a ready Banu Haqim you control is the target of a directed action or is chosen by the acting Methuselah in the terms of a referendum, you can lock this location to unlock the acting minion and have the action or referendum fail. Only usable as the directed action is announced or during the polling step of the referendum before votes and ballots are cast.

Thus the distinction.

*Edit*
Vampires in torpor are Not in Ready region, thus are Not Ready.

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Play Area

The area in front of each Methuselah is divided into two regions: the uncontrolled region (6), and the controlled region (7). The controlled region is further divided into two areas: the ready region (8) and the torpor region (9). Torpor is a special area for wounded vampires. As the game progresses, you will gain control of some of your minions, moving them to the ready region, face up.

Once case where Condemn cant be stopped with Shrine, is if all your Banu Haqim are in Torpor.