Strike with optional press

Ankha wrote:

the1andonlime wrote:

Extending from this clarification: www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/79960-nightstick-and-defensive-strikes?start=6#105963

If only ranged strikes, dodge and combat ends are effective at long range, can a minion gain a press by using a "strike:X with optional press" while at long range?

No, since the strike is not effective, and the press is tied to the strike.

Q: If I use Blood of the Cobra and play Dagon's Call as my strike at long
range, is it still a hand strike?
A: No. Dagon's call becomes "Strike: ranged. Make a hand strike ... and the
opposing minion takes 1 unpreventable damage during the press step..."
The modified Dagon's Call strike is not a hand strike, and the hand strike
made as part of its effect is not effective at long range, although the
rest of the Dagon's Call effect is.

Q: If I use Blood of the Cobra and play Scorpion's Touch as my strike and use
it with my Bastard Sword, what effect does it have?
A: Similar to above. Scorpion's Touch makes your Bastard Sword strike a
"Strike: Make a bastard sword strike and put this card on the opposing
minion..." and Blood of the Cobra makes that a "Strike: ranged. Make a
bastard sword strike and put this card on the opposing minion..." The
Bastard Sword strike does no damage at long range, but the rest of the
effect ("put this card on the opposing minion...") is applied.

Name: Blood of the Cobra
[FN:R2]
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Quietus
[qui] Strike: 1R damage.
[QUI] Strike: ranged. Play a non-ranged strike that requires Quietus [qui] from your hand and use that strike as if it were ranged (if the chosen strike is a hand strike, the hand strike's damage is not ranged and this strike is not a hand strike).
Artist: William O'Connor

Name: Scorpion's Touch
[FN:C2, LotN:PA4, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Quietus
[qui] Strike: hand strike or use a melee weapon strike and put this card on the opposing minion. The attached minion gets -1 strength (this does not affect the current strike resolution). Any vampire can burn this card as a +1 stealth action. A minion can have only one Scorpion's Touch.
[QUI] As above, and the attached minion burns 1 blood or life during their unlock phase.
Artist: William O'Connor

Name: Bastard Sword
[Jyhad:U2, VTES:U]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 1 pool
Melee weapon.
Strength+1 damage each strike.
Artist: Rob Alexander

Name: Dagon's Call
[FN:C2/PA2, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Quietus
A vampire can play only one Dagon's Call each combat.
[qui] Strike: hand strike, and the opposing minion takes 1 unpreventable environmental damage during the press step each round this combat (only effective if this strike was made at close range).
[QUI] As above, and this hand strike is at +1 damage.
Artist: Durwin Talon

Ankha wrote:

Palamedes wrote:

With an example:

1. Can a minion play Lam Into (vic, hand strike) if the round is set at long range (without dealing damage of course)?

Yes.

Palamedes wrote:

2. If yes, does the minion get an optional press?

No.

Palamedes wrote:

3. If yes, does the new round is set at close range?

Moot.

Ankha wrote:

Kilrauko wrote:

Can you explain why [RTR 20010710] on Blood of the Cobra groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/GsI1UyH54jU/m/x9LfDZX1vR4J enables the rest of the effects of a strike to be effective even when the strike itself is not?

The strike is effective, but a hand strike at long range does nothing. See also the updated cardtext of Blood of the Cobra: "(if the chosen strike is a hand strike, the hand strike's damage is not ranged and this strike is not a hand strike)".
The rest of the strike that is not a hand strike part applies, since it is ranged.

Kilrauko wrote:

If we are using whether or not the strike is effective to determine then would this not be reversal for that as nothing in Blood of the Cobra has said or says apply parts of the strike as it has relied on it just being ranged strike so the effects would apply even for uneffective strikes. Now with things being tied to strike being effective it seems they no longer do?

See above.

Q: If I use Blood of the Cobra and play Scorpion's Touch as my strike and use
it with my Bastard Sword, what effect does it have?
A: Similar to above. Scorpion's Touch makes your Bastard Sword strike a
"Strike: Make a bastard sword strike and put this card on the opposing
minion..." and Blood of the Cobra makes that a "Strike: ranged. Make a
bastard sword strike and put this card on the opposing minion..." The
Bastard Sword strike does no damage at long range, but the rest of the
effect ("put this card on the opposing minion...") is applied.

...but the rest of the
effect ("put this card on the opposing minion...") is applied.

Name: Blood of the Cobra
[FN:R2]
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Quietus
[qui] Strike: 1R damage.
[QUI] Strike: ranged. Play a non-ranged strike that requires Quietus [qui] from your hand and use that strike as if it were ranged (if the chosen strike is a hand strike, the hand strike's damage is not ranged and this strike is not a hand strike).
Artist: William O'Connor

Name: Scorpion's Touch
[FN:C2, LotN:PA4, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Quietus
[qui] Strike: hand strike or use a melee weapon strike and put this card on the opposing minion. The attached minion gets -1 strength (this does not affect the current strike resolution). Any vampire can burn this card as a +1 stealth action. A minion can have only one Scorpion's Touch.
[QUI] As above, and the attached minion burns 1 blood or life during their unlock phase.
Artist: William O'Connor