times Loving Agony and Catatonic Fear

31 Jan 2011 13:18 - 29 Jan 2013 11:25 #956 by noir
I was wondering something here.
Does the card 'Loving Agony' work similar to 'Catatonic fear' in that, that it causes the damage after combat, making it non-preventable? The reason I'm wondering is because they're worded quite different with one saying "combat ends and the opposing minion takes 1 damage." whilst the other say "...as above (combat ends) and inflict 1 damage to the opposing minion once combat ends, if the range is close".

Loving Agony
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Valeren/Animalism
Only usable at close range.
[ani] Strike: hand strike at +1 damage.
[val] Strike: combat ends and the opposing minion takes 1 damage.
[VAL] As [val] above, and this vampire may burn 1 blood to untap before combat ends.

Catatonic Fear
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Presence
 Strike: combat ends.
 As above, and inflict 1 damage to the opposing minion once combat ends if the range is close.
Last edit: 29 Jan 2013 11:25 by Pascal Bertrand.

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31 Jan 2011 14:07 #958 by Pascal Bertrand
If some strike reads: "Strike: Combat ends, and do something", then something happens after combat.
The only exception is when the strike reads "Combat ends and untap" (Majesty, Earth Meld, Loving Agony, ..), where the *this vampire untaps* part happens before the end of combat.

So, yes, the damage from Loving Agony is similar to the damage from Catatonic Fear, vis-a-vis their timing. They are inflicted after combat, and can't be prevented with combat cards.
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31 Jan 2011 14:41 #959 by noir
Ah, as I thought then.
Thanks for the reply :)

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10 Feb 2011 19:10 #1250 by Baronofhilliard
There is a difference that I think is interesting. You can play target cards with LA while you can not play them with CF.

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10 Feb 2011 19:53 #1252 by KevinM

There is a difference that I think is interesting. You can play target cards with LA while you can not play them with CF.


'Target' cards are played when choosing a strike, which is during combat, so why can't you play them on CF?


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10 Feb 2011 21:13 #1259 by Baronofhilliard
Because LJS made a ruling that you can not use target vitals on CF. I believe there is a window there that is missed. One occurs immediately while the other is after combat.

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