wasn't LSJ pretty much a fan who was brought on board to design for White Wolf?
The difference is just that...he was offically brought on by the company producing it. Here we have effectively a bunch of fans getting together and saying 'lets make new cards' which any hack in their basement can do, and then foist them off (electronically!) on the tournament community via their association with the vekn. Unliscended, unprinted, not widely available to the gamestore public, forcing people to play with fully sleeved decks, etc.
Apologies to those involved, but this is utter crap.
I dont want cheapass pdf cards polluting my game.
if you play without sleeves, someone with a keen eye can already tell a lot about your deck's composition. Jyhad and 3rd Edition cards stick out like a sore thumb. carefully studying the colors and clarity of the card backs can give information about which expansion set it was printed in.
I dont play with jyhad cards, and 3rd edition cards if turned the right way are not identifiable at a glance. Anyone staring closely at every players hand and library every turn should be called for stalling. Or just committed, because that is crazy.
And you ignore a key point....your counterpoint only matters for those cards visible. IE: portions of a players hand and the top card of his library. (Asheap being redundant here, being already revealed).
Having jyahd/third/whatever cards in the rest of your deck are not revealed. But not having these new pdf cards *anywhere* in your deck *are* revealed simply by not playing with sleeved decks. That is simply wrong on principle that any portion of my library is given away because of an out of game consideration.
IIRC, you cant actually show cards out of play to your opponents (unless required to by card/gameplay), and this pdf card idea requires you to do that or spend time and money sleeving your deck.
Well the point of Peter is that he PREFERS playing without sleeves for other reasons than the cost. I get this point but I feel that it doesn't really matter in the greather scheme of things.
Johannes, I think there is one peson here who plays with sleeves. At the norwes qualifier I attend nearly every year, that ratio rises only slightly, iirc. I dont like sleeves for many reasons. Shuffling, slideoff, topover, sticking together, time, space in deckboxes/closet storage, weight, money, feel, look, etc. I actually dislike seeing people playing with sleeves on their cards, especially the silly artsy ones, as even that cheapens the game for me. I *want* to see 'Vampire' on green or brown marble cardbacks every time I play damnit.
I would gladly pay the cost of new, actually compatiable print cards over sleeves any day. New cards are great. This implementation of them are bad. Make the pdf if you want, even distribute it. But dont allow them to be tournament legal. Nothing that is not an actual vtes card should be legal in that environment.
Think about it. This is a very slippery slope we are being taken to here. Where does it stop? How long before the next set of pdf cards? Or the one after that? At what point does vampire become unrecognizable due to a glut of pdf cards invented by joe blow the vtes fan?
Do not let this happen vekn, please.
New set in 2012
