And to Kevin: I am sorry that you seem to take great personal offence in what I said about your post. Please let me rephrase a small part of what I said, and hope you get what I meant this time:
I know you do not represent the VEKN in what you just posted, but please - read it back and smell the arrogance in HOW YOU STATED what you stated there. It's posts like that one that keeps many players away from this forum.
We seem to have a different view on the use of the words 'run' and 'running'. Other than that, I remain with my statement, to be continued below.
It's not the people here claiming that they are going to enter tournaments with disregard for the upcoming rules set.
I immediately agree this is a bit silly and somewhat childish. It's not what I intend to do. It also is a personal issue of some folks in here, not the general opinion of VEKN.
It's not openly questioning why the people that are in charge of the VEKN became in charge of VTES after everything that they've done.
I will never deny the folks in charge of the VEKN did an awful lot for the game, I just don't see how that puts them 'in charge' of the game. Did they buy or obtain in any other way all the rights involved with the game? If so, then yes, they're 'in charge'. If they didn't, then sorry, but they're not. It's a common good as any other game now being carried by a fanbase.
It's not saying that those in charge are bad players and/or people.
Agreed - stating that would be silly, if not plain stupid.
It's not the hyperbolic, not the rhetoric, nor the factless-laden, personal-attack posts that appear here daily within the other helpful and insightful posts.
Comes with running a forum. More than everyone would like will these kind of posts pop up every once and while, and who of us can honestly say they NEVER got sucked into a somewhat emotional response which came out a little harsher than we intended it to be?
It's not the constant bitching about 15-year old sleeve and card back arguments in the belief that a new administration -- which is disrespected, anyway -- will submit to minutia-based arguments and cater to the crowd that plays with and for Fear, and not with and for the Joy of the game.
Since English is not my mother-language, I am not sure what you're saying here, so I will refrain from commenting on it.
If you claim that I personally am keeping people away from VTES, you should look at my record of attracting more people to more VTES events than almost anyone in the world, no mater where or when they are held, with almost universal acclaim by the participants for the Joy of the events.
Here's where it gets interesting. I don't claim you personally keep players away from V:tES. If you wish to play the Personal Record Card: there's no doubt in my mind that you, as 'Prince of Las Vegas', have meant more for the game than almost anyone in the world (that being your own words, I'll leave commenting on that to almost anyone in the world).
Considering that my title once was 'Prince of Hilversum', a small town in the Netherlands of which most of the readers here probably have never heard, I don't quite deserve to even stand in the shadow of someone as great as yourself.
But to me, it seems you and me both are the same kind if volunteers that try to promote the same game within their best behaviour and possibilities. If sheer numbers (of comparing Las Vegas with Hilversum) make you a better person than me, or even almost anyone in the world, then I'm still glad you do not represent the VEKN. Because if that the way they look at it, I will REALLY start to worry about the future of this game.
No, I simply commented on the way you used your words in that single post. The arrogance was in the way you put your words, at least to me in how I interpreted them. Call it 'poor choice of words' then, and that being my opinion, backed up by some fellow players I showed your post to.
If you claim that I'm arrogant when I ask even a single question, then I'd submit that when someone responds to a question with a personal attack, it is quite telling.
Yes, well, you see, I never claimed that. It's how you interpreted it.
The fact that I've come to expect that from a small, vocal subset of posters (and players) in the last 10 years has more to do with being unable to collect and retain players than anything I've ever done or said.
... no comment.
So the VEKN should respect your posts and find them completely acceptable, because you're just asking questions and trying to get a clear picture of the future of the game...
Ofcourse, that's why they have a forum in the first place and ask the community to vent their opinion on their ideas, right? Am I that unique in thinking just that?
...and you don't respect me and my posts when I ask a single question for the same reason? I see.
Quite a difference here. Too bad you don't see it. Let me try to explain one final time. Your words, in the post I commented on, were:
I'm curious by what reasoning people think that it's acceptable to defy the will of the people now running the game.
Not a real question in there, but you seem to see asking questions (in this case even questions many of us seem to have) as 'defying the will of the people now running the game'.
It's precisely this part of your post that I have difficulties with. More specific - two things bother me. The first being the fact that I think I have said, often enough, I think the VEKN has meant a great deal for V:tES, and now, because I don't agree with them on some parts, Í 'defy' them? Quite strong, if not ridiculously exaggerated, by you.
The second thing being my interpretation of the words 'now running the game', which I explained earlier in this post. That's the part that, to me, has an arrogant sound to it. Nothing more, nothing less.
As nothing was ever said (or done) for the 15+ years prior to now, I can only hypothesize that there is a lack of respect, if not outright disregard, for the people now running the game.
Not really a question in this part either; just makes me wonder if you and I both have been reading completely different sources of communication between us players. Because I have seen comments all over on everyone ever 'running the game' all the time, it being on Wizards, WW or even CCP. This has always been part of the community, and will always be part of the community. It has nothing to do with who is 'running' things at this very moment, and it's not even unique to VEKN or V:tES for that matter.
Why is that, I wonder?
So here's the question you must have been talking about. And frankly, if that's the way you ask your questions to the community, you might want to reconsider the way you phrase them, because this one is not very specific. It even seems you're asking yourself this question, making it quite impossible for anyone to answer.
Since we're all 'running the game' now, ...
Labeling me as arrogant and then saying this? Wow.
This is a bit pathetic, and the part where you're losing quite some respect, if you ask me. You left out an important part of what I said there, coloring the quote to fit your own silly comment.
You might have noticed one thing. The words 'run' and 'running', in their different contexts, were never mine. They were yours. I have disagreed on them from the beginning. That's why I used quotation marks on them all the time.
I still think we all, as a community, are putting in effort to keep this game strong. The VEKN as a form of organization that offers a platform for tournament play and a tracking record (yes, amongst other things, I see those too, no worries), and us players to keep that very same platform existing.
Without platform, the community will fall apart, and with out players, there's little use for a platform. Hence we all 'run' the game. That is how I see it, and many with me. You seem to have a different opinion. VEKN is God, and we bow to it. If I'm wrong, please elaborate on that part for a bit.
I know other people who have meant a great deal to V:tES, but not always agreeing with the VEKN. Do these folks matter a lot less? Or might there be a slight chance we simply need eachother to keep our game existing?
New set in 2012
