Dance Macabre requirements

D-dennis wrote:

In the case the B&W print is of good quality, I let players use the B&W print as proxy for a color-print.
Prox-ception

Awww, you're a big softie
And also teach the players that rules need not be followed.


If B&W prints are allowed, shall we also allow poor quality color prints?
Oh, where will it end...


Since it will also be relevant at the next EC (and other big tournaments) we need a ruling on this. Or definite comment that the PDF cards are still to be used as per the instructons they come with (= no B&W).

Lönkka wrote:

Awww, you're a big softie

That's from all the beer.

Lönkka wrote:

And also teach the players that rules need not be followed.

The rules still apply. In this case I judged that the B&W print was good enough for play. Of course this was a small event (16 players). At big events, such individual judging might not be feasible.

Not messing with you mate, but that really doesn't sound all that different from the situation where someone (with DM cards in the deck) doesn't have opaque sleeves but has transparent ones.

In my case, I like to keep the can of worms closed as much as possible and not give the devil one inch of the littlefinger.

D-dennis wrote:

The rules still apply. In this case I judged that the B&W print was good enough for play. Of course this was a small event (16 players). At big events, such individual judging might not be feasible.

Could you indicate which tournament this was, so that it can be retroactively unsanctioned?

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Could you indicate which tournament this was, so that it can be retroactively unsanctioned?

There has been only one tournament in Belgium since the release of Danse Macabre.
I thought there was a precedent for such judging (a jduge allowing a KMW reprint as proxy KMW was not yet legal for play), but I don't find the reference for that.
In our case, judgment was based on

1. The quality of the B&W print
2. The decision to let it be used was carried by the attending players (i.e. nobody was against it)
3. It was an actian card that does not stay in play. This might be different for an event or master that stays in play (where the colour of the card might help crosstable players to see what card is there).
4. Play could go on as normal. No matter at what level vtes is played, it is still a game. A game is supposed to be played and rules facilitate the play. In this case the quality of play was not harmed by the B&W prints, so we started the tournament as normal.

It was obvious from the very beginning, that some day the discussion about the requirements (and the conformance of them) of a "proxy edition" would start ...

Finally, we have some new cards, some players are playing V:tES more enthusiastically again – and then a tournament organiser or judge should be forced to punish a player who maybe is just lazy?

How about starting with some kind of warning/caution first that has to be reported in the Archon file, so a player has a chance to "improve" his cards until the next tournament? So punishment is only enforced if the same player is using inferior prints again? Maybe until April or July, as a period of transition?

And, please, don't start talking about nullifying events that already took place.