Ahrimanes - Need Help Please
16 May 2012 10:11 #30562
by vtesocrates
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5 regular masters and 6 trifles in an 84 card deck is really bad. You should attempt to utilize all your master phase actions. Master cards are far more powerful than minion cards. I think you have too many retainers and reactions. I think 7 Carrion Crows is about right. Muricia has +1 strength and you have Murders of Crows. You don't need to do 15 damage every fight.
You are going to time the crap out of tables. How do you intend to win? If I'm your prey, I can hold you off indefinitely with a little bounce and bloat and some s:ce. I am discouraged from acting because you will block everything. I won't take any pool from your grandprey so even if you get me, you'll have a fresh prey who has been untouched. The only way you can oust is if people stupidly take actions and get beat up.
Or maybe I'm full-forward in which case you can't do a thing to me except try to block me twice in the whole game with Falcon's Eye. Maybe you pick up the last two, but it's doubtful because you still can't oust me after I've gained 18 pool. I won't get through you, but I'll have 3.5 and you can have your half.
You either need more bleed or more master cards that will cause pool damage and/or force your prey to take actions you can try to block. Multiple copies of Smiling Jack is especially a no-brainer.
I think group 2 Ahrimanes are better.
You are going to time the crap out of tables. How do you intend to win? If I'm your prey, I can hold you off indefinitely with a little bounce and bloat and some s:ce. I am discouraged from acting because you will block everything. I won't take any pool from your grandprey so even if you get me, you'll have a fresh prey who has been untouched. The only way you can oust is if people stupidly take actions and get beat up.
Or maybe I'm full-forward in which case you can't do a thing to me except try to block me twice in the whole game with Falcon's Eye. Maybe you pick up the last two, but it's doubtful because you still can't oust me after I've gained 18 pool. I won't get through you, but I'll have 3.5 and you can have your half.
You either need more bleed or more master cards that will cause pool damage and/or force your prey to take actions you can try to block. Multiple copies of Smiling Jack is especially a no-brainer.
I think group 2 Ahrimanes are better.
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16 May 2012 11:51 - 16 May 2012 11:54 #30578
by Reyda
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ok, let's try to make this deck even better.
Crypt :
I'd play 3x Muricia, 3x Effie. With superior spiritus, she's as dread ful as muricia. Plus it heightens the chances to have both in play.
Action : 3 entrancement is a but too much (but maybe your metagame is all about allies ?
I'd play 2 entrancement. I'd also remove one Nose (even if I like this card.) To play 2 Abbots. Abbots are free, they untap you... they'll make you save blood on those speak with the spirits most of the time. They're really good.
If you have free space, I'd suggest you play one copy of Visionquest. It may seem like a prayer card, but it turns one of your sidekicks into a mini-muricia. Can be real cool to avoid the effects of a well placed Pentex.
Combat :
Aid from bats + Carrion crows is a good combo. But I'd remove 2 of them to replace them with Majesties. Sometimes your target is more meatier than your fighter. Sometimes, you just want to lure a blocker. It's a good way to have one or two cards that avoid combat. You can also play Leapfrog or Fleshbond, or even Chameleon's color. S:ce Is strong when not expected
Combat/Action Modifier : It's a shame you're not playing more swiftnesses. It's one of the best cards available to ahrimanes. It's so multi-purpose that you can play like 3 more without fear of them clogging your deck. I'd add 3.
Equipment : I never play ahrimanes without adding 2 Mark V (who works so well with nose of the hound and swiftess). But it's a personal thingy. I think you may want to play at least one copy of Ivory bow to deter your predator from moving too much
Event : Dragonbound is good.
Master : I'd make it completely different.
Master : 13
1x Direct intervention
1x Fame
1x Hungry Coyote, The (2 pool cost but well, ok. I'd rather play one or two copies of Vulture's... I'd rather play a powerbase barranquilla for pool gain !)
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
5x Blood doll -> better than Vessel Imho.
2x Wash
and 2x Smiling Jack, cause it's an alternate way to victory : face it, you won't bleed much, so you have to kill your prey at some point !!
Reaction : I'd remove 2 sens the savage way that can be used efficiently by only one vampire. Add 2 more Speak with the spirits because it's the best thing you can have. Also switch one Ears of the hare for 1 additional Falcon's eye. Oh, and i'll remove a Cat's To add just a single Delaying tactics. Unblockable or cross table vote that harms you has to be stopped.
Retainer :
I'd ditch one murder of crows and one raven spy. You already have enough intercept to stop the whole world in its track !
Maybe add 2x Aire of elation for surprise ousting ?
Crypt :
I'd play 3x Muricia, 3x Effie. With superior spiritus, she's as dread ful as muricia. Plus it heightens the chances to have both in play.
Action : 3 entrancement is a but too much (but maybe your metagame is all about allies ?
I'd play 2 entrancement. I'd also remove one Nose (even if I like this card.) To play 2 Abbots. Abbots are free, they untap you... they'll make you save blood on those speak with the spirits most of the time. They're really good.
If you have free space, I'd suggest you play one copy of Visionquest. It may seem like a prayer card, but it turns one of your sidekicks into a mini-muricia. Can be real cool to avoid the effects of a well placed Pentex.
Combat :
Aid from bats + Carrion crows is a good combo. But I'd remove 2 of them to replace them with Majesties. Sometimes your target is more meatier than your fighter. Sometimes, you just want to lure a blocker. It's a good way to have one or two cards that avoid combat. You can also play Leapfrog or Fleshbond, or even Chameleon's color. S:ce Is strong when not expected

Combat/Action Modifier : It's a shame you're not playing more swiftnesses. It's one of the best cards available to ahrimanes. It's so multi-purpose that you can play like 3 more without fear of them clogging your deck. I'd add 3.
Equipment : I never play ahrimanes without adding 2 Mark V (who works so well with nose of the hound and swiftess). But it's a personal thingy. I think you may want to play at least one copy of Ivory bow to deter your predator from moving too much

Event : Dragonbound is good.
Master : I'd make it completely different.
Master : 13
1x Direct intervention
1x Fame
1x Hungry Coyote, The (2 pool cost but well, ok. I'd rather play one or two copies of Vulture's... I'd rather play a powerbase barranquilla for pool gain !)
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
5x Blood doll -> better than Vessel Imho.
2x Wash
and 2x Smiling Jack, cause it's an alternate way to victory : face it, you won't bleed much, so you have to kill your prey at some point !!

Reaction : I'd remove 2 sens the savage way that can be used efficiently by only one vampire. Add 2 more Speak with the spirits because it's the best thing you can have. Also switch one Ears of the hare for 1 additional Falcon's eye. Oh, and i'll remove a Cat's To add just a single Delaying tactics. Unblockable or cross table vote that harms you has to be stopped.
Retainer :
I'd ditch one murder of crows and one raven spy. You already have enough intercept to stop the whole world in its track !
Maybe add 2x Aire of elation for surprise ousting ?

Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
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16 May 2012 11:55 #30581
by Reyda
But the Gr2 Ahrimanes are not that great if you choose to play superior animalism !
for superior spiritus however, they are great
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I agree on the smiling jack part, of course.copies of Smiling Jack is especially a no-brainer.
I think group 2 Ahrimanes are better.
But the Gr2 Ahrimanes are not that great if you choose to play superior animalism !
for superior spiritus however, they are great

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16 May 2012 12:20 #30587
by Ohlmann
Never underestimate surprise bleed card like AoE
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Maybe add 2x Aire of elation for surprise ousting ?
Never underestimate surprise bleed card like AoE

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16 May 2012 12:29 #30589
by vtesocrates
It's debatable. I think most would agree Howler is more than 1 pool better than Muricia. The lack of ANI in group 2 hurts a little, but Murder of Crows can more or less equalize that as you really only need it for superior Carrion Crows. The Siamese's +1 bleed helps a lot. David Quiñonero's Ahrimanes decks do a really good job of working around the inferior Animalism.
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But the Gr2 Ahrimanes are not that great if you choose to play superior animalism !
for superior spiritus however, they are great
It's debatable. I think most would agree Howler is more than 1 pool better than Muricia. The lack of ANI in group 2 hurts a little, but Murder of Crows can more or less equalize that as you really only need it for superior Carrion Crows. The Siamese's +1 bleed helps a lot. David Quiñonero's Ahrimanes decks do a really good job of working around the inferior Animalism.
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16 May 2012 12:49 #30593
by Reyda
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Maybe.
Bur for Rodimus deck here (the one we are talking about), this group of ahrimanes is a perfect fit.
Bur for Rodimus deck here (the one we are talking about), this group of ahrimanes is a perfect fit.

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