file Capuchin and Gerald - Masks and Hoods

04 May 2015 07:31 #70897 by alek
I haven't planned to give chainsaw to ponticulus. It's in the deck because you can "call for it" with MotS. I'm planning to use with vampires and rush 1-3 times per turn (heidelberg + equip and freak drive) so i think it's worth the slot. At least I will test it.
I managed to squiz in some darings the dawn. Still I would love to put more Call of the Hungry Dead and Seductions in but don't now what to remove. Any ideas?
Below is the newest version.
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 22, Max: 44, Avg: 8,5)
4 Capuchin THN THA NEC FOR DOM AUS11 Harbingers of Skulls
1 Claus Wegener aus for tha DOM5 Tremere
4 Gerald Windham AUS DOM FOR THA9 Tremere
1 Jefferson Foster for tha AUS DOM6 Ventrue Antitribu
1 Keith Moody DOM 3 Tremere Antitribu
1 Polly Kay Fisher for pot AUS DOM THA8 Ventrue Antitribu

Library: (90 cards)
Master (15 cards)
1 Giant`s Blood
3 Heidelberg Castle, Germany
1 Jake Washington (Hunter)
2 Pentex(TM) Subversion
1 Perfectionist
1 Powerbase: Montreal
4 Villein
2 Wider View

Action (22 cards)
2 Far Mastery
7 Govern the Unaligned
6 Magic of the Smith
7 Mind Rape

Action Modifier (31 cards)
2 Call of the Hungry Dead
3 Conditioning
2 Daring the Dawn
2 Enkil Cog
1 Foreshadowing Destruction
13 Freak Drive
6 Mirror Walk
2 Seduction

Reaction (14 cards)
5 Deflection
2 Eyes of Argus
5 Obedience
2 On the Qui Vive

Ally (3 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
2 Ponticulus

Equipment (5 cards)
1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
1 Bowl of Convergence
1 Erebus Mask
1 Heart of Nizchetus
1 Talbot`s Chainsaw

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04 May 2015 13:20 #70907 by brandonsantacruz
I don't like powerbase Montreal for this deck. Jake is OK, but not great. Extra ponticulus may not be needed. Instead how about 1x dreams 1x info highway and 1x monastery of shadows? Your crypt acceleration is entirely based on govern, which will give you a slow start. Montreal can help, but it will get stolen.

Overall I don't think it is a great idea to use two star vampires like this. Capuchin is not as good as Gerald for this deck because you will likely have to get him first if you have any kind of predator. You won't have 11 pool to spare later unless things are going really well. You could cut back to 1-2 Capuchin, +1 Gerald and throw in some other weenie.

Whatever you do don't forget Sargon fragment and rutor's hand.

Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

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05 May 2015 13:13 #70938 by alek
Thx for detailed feedback. As for the details:
1. Monteral is here more as a pool gain than crypt accelaration. If I'm lucky I can have it in initial hand but that's more luck than plan.
Generally, crypt accelaration is something that you should play in significant numbers or not at all. If you put not enough it usually becomes not only wasted slots but wasted master slots that will clog your hand in mid and end game.
As a pool gain it should be fine. With all those freak drives I should have some spare actions to go for it and I can protect it if needed with build in intercept and obediences. Still I'm wondering about changing it to dreams.
2. I feel Monastery of Shadows is too much pool cost for this deck.
3. As Ponticulus and chainsaw are important module of the deck I felt that I need more than one Ponti in 90 card deck.
4. It's mind rape deck, so you need a big vampire to play your cards. Gerald is only 9 cap, which would be not enough on a lot of tables. My plan is to almost always influence Capuchin first, unless I have very agressive predator. In that I will influence some smaller vampire first to be able to block early and play deflections. Adding osme more weenie could help.
5. Sargon was in first verison of the deck but I think it's too much setup and blood cost. Same goes for rutor's hand. Not worthy an action and blood cost when I have all those freak drives available.

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06 May 2015 13:57 #70957 by mjvtes521
I made a version of this deck right after the Capuchin was released. I modified a Gerald Windham deck multi freak drive deck with mind rapes. I disagree with Brandon and think The Capuchin improves it greatly. He is better than Gerald in that he has the extra capacity for mind rapes and obedience, +1 int (also nice with obedience), +1 bleed, extra hand size to get more magics/mind rapes/governs in hand, and access to Maabara (to get mind rapes from ash to hand; an awesome card IMO). He does cost more and can't get ankara citadel, but if the deck is working and you have heidelberg in play, you are getting mind rapes off and stealing blood from (hopefully) high cap guys anyway, so you can live without ankara. He also has the capacity to steal 2 more blood from guys than Gerald can and can govern/scouting mission to get gerald out faster and cheaper. He even has NEC as another block fail/stealth option (though I don't have them in my deck) as well as NEC cards to take cards back from ash heap. I have 4 of each of them in my deck with four weenie tremere/tremere antis filling out the crypt as Alek does. I use Carmen and Andrew Stuart instead of Polly Kay and Jefferson Foster (they are too expensive in a deck that already wants to spend 20 pool on 2 other vamps).

Superstar decks always have the potential to get hit hard early on before they get there big guy out. But that usually only happens when you are first or second and cant get the 11 cap out until turn 4. And other players usually help you out when that happens, since they don't want the table to collapse and haven't yet figured out how evil your deck is. You can also choose to bring gerald out first if you go first or second, but I generally only do that if I have no governs, Maabara or villein in hand.

As far as suggestions for Alek: I would take out wider views since you are likely to get gerald and the capuchin in your opening draw and are fine as long as you get one of them. Jake isn't worth a master card slot. You gotta have 1 maabara, and 1 Erciyes Fragments. I recommend 1 or 2 scouting mission since you multi act (scouting mission bleed, freak drive and govern down in the same turn) and you don't want to govern bleed for 4 with the Capuchin and get AI'd. I also recommend at least 1 Abactor since you can have a stolen vamp play it, get more blood, steal the extra blood with heidelberg (which you can do right before the blood hunt, since the blood hunt referendum happens after the action ends) and get the stolen vamp burned. Too awesome of a combo to leave out. I also recommend a dominate kine so you can steal someone else's Heidelberg (or other location) most likely at +1 stealth. Talbot's chainsaw isn't worth it. Too expensive and hard to get off since you need to have already drawn and recruited Ponticulus. Plus you HAVE to press to continue with it (which people often forget) and can only prevent 1 each combat with it, leaving yourself vulnerable to any dedicated combat deck. I have Sargon fragment and Sniper rifle to get mind rapes etc from the ash heap and to set range to long when you block and don't have obedience in hand. 1 or 2 Murmur of the False will instead of a deflections may be worth it too (though I'm not sure). I like the deck and haven't been able to come up with another effective deck that uses The Capuchin. Good luck with it!

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09 May 2015 13:08 #70997 by Ashur

Technically you are correct, but I think it is usually the best idea to give the chainsaw to the ally which is immune to regular damage. And with the chainsaw on the ally you need to inflict at least two aggravated damage in a given combat to kill the ally.

In our meta it would be VERY dangerous to give the Chainsaw to the ally, because of heavy Entrancement/other ally-stealing tech.

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10 May 2015 05:45 #71001 by alek

I also recommend at least 1 Abactor since you can have a stolen vamp play it, get more blood, steal the extra blood with heidelberg (which you can do right before the blood hunt, since the blood hunt referendum happens after the action ends)

Are you sure about it? I was told by the judge on EC that blood hunt referendum that is result of abactor is an part of an action, so there is no way to use heidelberg in the meantime.

I use Carmen and Andrew Stuart instead of Polly Kay and Jefferson Foster (they are too expensive in a deck that already wants to spend 20 pool on 2 other vamps).

Agree. I'm going to play even cheaper side kicks (Claus Wegener, Jackson Asher, Jefferson Foster, Keith Moody)

Talbot's chainsaw isn't worth it. Too expensive and hard to get off since you need to have already drawn and recruited Ponticulus.

expensive - true. HArd to get - not at all. There are two pontis in the deck and you can Magic of the Smith for Chainsaw when a time is right.

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