card idea: chi dem
05 May 2013 17:18 #48213
by johannes
Replied by johannes on topic Re: card idea: chi dem
In case of obscure discipline combos I tend to think that cards are "just for fun" rather then addressing a compelling game need B-)I hate being a bore, but " How does this card address a compelling game need?" (If any, I´m not sure it´s an absolute requirement, but it helps to know how you are thinking)
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05 May 2013 17:22 #48214
by Molloy
In my opinion, having cool stuff for Ganesh and Kiradin to do is VTES's most compelling need.
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Replied by Molloy on topic Re: card idea: chi dem
I hate being a bore, but " How does this card address a compelling game need?" (If any, I´m not sure it´s an absolute requirement, but it helps to know how you are thinking)
In my opinion, having cool stuff for Ganesh and Kiradin to do is VTES's most compelling need.







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05 May 2013 19:02 #48218
by kombainas
Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
Replied by kombainas on topic Re: card idea: chi dem
I do like a "strange" discipline combination, but I do not understand how do you justify the untap? I'd rather see no blood cost, unconditional stealth at inferior and foiling a political action by prey as it is worded now with condition to put in play "Put this card in play after a successful bleed against your prey". Inferior version would give you stealth (at the requirement of dual discipline), and superior would foil potentional pool gain via Votercap (wich is powerful enough, given you can use inferior against non-voting decks).





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06 May 2013 13:24 #48258
by ReverendRevolver
Replied by ReverendRevolver on topic Re: card idea: chi dem
Yea, the untap is odd to me. This is a card useable by tsunda, kiradin, ganesh, hazimel, and maybe one other racnos, plus petaniqua. Petaniqua and tsunda are the only ones who cany freak drive, and she gets rutors hand and can as the crow with concordance, and tsunda can play no se rets.
Not seeing the untap as needed. This caed makes dem ravnos easily more doable, since WoN+kindred spirits is just dumb good for them. And as it is, you oust your first prey, and its still there for your next if they try to rush you. Add a path(since you can make the burn action fail) and it makes g45 ravnos with dem ayable like g2 who had dom.
Not seeing the untap as needed. This caed makes dem ravnos easily more doable, since WoN+kindred spirits is just dumb good for them. And as it is, you oust your first prey, and its still there for your next if they try to rush you. Add a path(since you can make the burn action fail) and it makes g45 ravnos with dem ayable like g2 who had dom.
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06 May 2013 14:43 #48262
by fhmfamine
Replied by fhmfamine on topic Re: card idea: chi dem
As for the political action portion of it, maybe change the wording to something like cancelling the referendum after the terms are set to target you. Most political actions, when announced, don't have the terms set until the action to get to the referendum is successful, right?
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06 May 2013 17:31 - 06 May 2013 20:53 #48267
by Molloy
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Replied by Molloy on topic Re: card idea: chi dem
The untap was originally the bonus for double superior, but in the second (better, more flexible) version it didn't serve that function anymore so could be removed. That makes the card a little weaker, though. The double inferior needs a boost to compensate.
The political action failing was meant to work on any political action. Word order could be changed to make that clearer. It could be reworked so it only canceled referendums that effected you, but I think that would require a lot more words.
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action. +1 stealth, and once this action this acting vampire may burn one blood to give a minion controlled by your prey -1 intercept.
: Only useable after resolving a successful
action targeting your prey. Unique. Put this card in play. When a minion controlled by your prey announces a
action targeting you or a political action, you may burn this card to cause that action to fail.
The political action failing was meant to work on any political action. Word order could be changed to make that clearer. It could be reworked so it only canceled referendums that effected you, but I think that would require a lot more words.
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