Timeouts in tournaments
14 Mar 2012 13:26 #25825
by Lemminkäinen
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There seems to be a lot of timeouts in tournaments. Are there more now than there used to be? If there are, is it a desireable situation? If not, what could be done?
I see Villein being blamed a lot. And all in all bloat, but usually that hinges on Villein. But was it better before Villein? (I didn't play in tournaments until relatively recently, so I don't know, really.)
I see Villein being blamed a lot. And all in all bloat, but usually that hinges on Villein. But was it better before Villein? (I didn't play in tournaments until relatively recently, so I don't know, really.)
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14 Mar 2012 13:38 #25827
by Forhead
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Replied by Forhead on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments
There hasn't been more timeouts over time.
extrala.blogspot.com/2011/11/ec-gamewin-timeout-statistics-update.html
extrala.blogspot.com/2011/11/ec-gamewin-timeout-statistics-update.html
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14 Mar 2012 17:45 #25839
by Squidalot
Replied by Squidalot on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments
erm I think Ralf's numbers show increased timeouts:
EC 2011 37,50%
EC 2010 36,33%
EC 2009 34,22%
Whether you consider it significant is a separate matter.
Also this is limited data - it's all EC data so is likely to be skewed by the 'Meta'.
EC 2011 37,50%
EC 2010 36,33%
EC 2009 34,22%
Whether you consider it significant is a separate matter.
Also this is limited data - it's all EC data so is likely to be skewed by the 'Meta'.
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14 Mar 2012 17:51 #25841
by Dorrinal
Replied by Dorrinal on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments
IME, table talk is the single biggest factor in time outs. In addition, 120 minutes divided by 5 players is only 24 minutes to each player per game. Can you take every turn in 2 minutes or less?

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14 Mar 2012 18:25 #25847
by Izaak
On average, sure.
If you plan your turns ahead of time it speeds them up significantly. If you pick up your cards and look at them when you have untapped your stuff it takes ages.
Also, a large amount of people just play mindnumbingly slow. I've been watching people play that took 90 seconds pondering and starting at their hands before deciding that they did not play a master card because they didn't have any on hand. And no, they were not considering the minion phases yet, because when they FINALLY announce their master phase is done, they start counting blood counters on their minions and evaluating their hands *yet again*
I've literally hear people tell me at tournaments "I hate Ashur Tablets not bcause they're too strong, but because 4 out of 5 players waste a good 5 minutes of the game checking what cards they want to return to their libraries when they could easily have decided that in their predators or grandpredators turn."
Slowplay, more than anything in the world makes tables time.
Replied by Izaak on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments
Can you take every turn in 2 minutes or less?
On average, sure.
If you plan your turns ahead of time it speeds them up significantly. If you pick up your cards and look at them when you have untapped your stuff it takes ages.
Also, a large amount of people just play mindnumbingly slow. I've been watching people play that took 90 seconds pondering and starting at their hands before deciding that they did not play a master card because they didn't have any on hand. And no, they were not considering the minion phases yet, because when they FINALLY announce their master phase is done, they start counting blood counters on their minions and evaluating their hands *yet again*
I've literally hear people tell me at tournaments "I hate Ashur Tablets not bcause they're too strong, but because 4 out of 5 players waste a good 5 minutes of the game checking what cards they want to return to their libraries when they could easily have decided that in their predators or grandpredators turn."
Slowplay, more than anything in the world makes tables time.
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14 Mar 2012 18:30 #25848
by Jeff Kuta
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Replied by Jeff Kuta on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments
Nice pie graphs. Might I request that we get an (n=NNN) on the legend (or the title) of each of those? That data is readily available on the posts, but it would be a nice immediate takeaway from the graphs as well. Thanks.
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