Timeouts in tournaments		
	
	
			
	
						18 Mar 2012 20:49				#26164
		by Surreal
	
	
		
			
				
Bit of offtopic
I feel this is a more metagame thing in Helsinki. Games are very relaxed. I see some tier 1 decks especially slow ones with building up board position with bloating and villeins. Faster bleed and vote decks I see very rare and also I feel attitude towards those decks and some other deck is a bit shunned at (like sayings "s&b or bleed deck, so boring and serious"). This leads to more time outs. Also Helsinki metagame favors slower decks. But this can be changed a bit b/c I haven't been in a tournament for some time.
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Surreal on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments			
			I have a gut feeling that I Helsinki tournaments the time outs might've increased a bit.
The atmosphere is generaly as relaxed as previously; plenty of friendly BSing and banter during the games as well as not necessarily that centered on tier 1 decks.
Might be wrong on this but I feel that the additional bloat afforded by Villein is probably the root of this. Lilith's Blessing hasn't really helped.
Yesterday's tournament had 4 tables and three rounds.
During the prelim rounds there was only six gamewins (did any of those come from timeouted tables). So at least half of the tables timeouted.
The finals timeouted just basrely, but the winner got 3,5 VP so it wasn't that bad...
Bit of offtopic
I feel this is a more metagame thing in Helsinki. Games are very relaxed. I see some tier 1 decks especially slow ones with building up board position with bloating and villeins. Faster bleed and vote decks I see very rare and also I feel attitude towards those decks and some other deck is a bit shunned at (like sayings "s&b or bleed deck, so boring and serious"). This leads to more time outs. Also Helsinki metagame favors slower decks. But this can be changed a bit b/c I haven't been in a tournament for some time.
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						18 Mar 2012 20:53				#26165
		by Klaital
	
	
		
			
				
Next time I will play something more aggressive again! The last two tournaments before that I had played DEM weenie and CEL/POT rush, so thought to take a bit more relaxed deck this time, which ended up not working at all so next time, there will be no timeouts in tables I sit!
			
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments			
			
I have a gut feeling that I Helsinki tournaments the time outs might've increased a bit.
The atmosphere is generaly as relaxed as previously; plenty of friendly BSing and banter during the games as well as not necessarily that centered on tier 1 decks.
Might be wrong on this but I feel that the additional bloat afforded by Villein is probably the root of this. Lilith's Blessing hasn't really helped.
Yesterday's tournament had 4 tables and three rounds.
During the prelim rounds there was only six gamewins (did any of those come from timeouted tables). So at least half of the tables timeouted.
The finals timeouted just basrely, but the winner got 3,5 VP so it wasn't that bad...
Bit of offtopic
I feel this is a more metagame thing in Helsinki. Games are very relaxed. I see some tier 1 decks especially slow ones with building up board position with bloating and villeins. Faster bleed and vote decks I see very rare and also I feel attitude towards those decks and some other deck is a bit shunned at (like sayings "s&b or bleed deck, so boring and serious"). This leads to more time outs. Also Helsinki metagame favors slower decks. But this can be changed a bit b/c I haven't been in a tournament for some time.
Next time I will play something more aggressive again! The last two tournaments before that I had played DEM weenie and CEL/POT rush, so thought to take a bit more relaxed deck this time, which ended up not working at all so next time, there will be no timeouts in tables I sit!
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						19 Mar 2012 08:27		 -  19 Mar 2012 19:55		#26204
		by Lönkka
	
	
		
			
				
			
							
					
					
					
	
	
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Lönkka on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments			
			Then again, playing an aggressive S&B deck and encountering sometimes prevalent combat will probably mean the S&B deck getting the proverbial crap kicked out of it and the table probably playing out rather slowlyNext time I will play something more aggressive again! The last two tournaments before that I had played DEM weenie and CEL/POT rush, so thought to take a bit more relaxed deck this time, which ended up not working at all so next time, there will be no timeouts in tables I sit!
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		Last edit: 19 Mar 2012 19:55  by Lönkka.			
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						19 Mar 2012 08:31				#26205
		by jhattara
	
	
		
			
				
I have good experience with this. In one ECQ when I played a malk/!malk S&B deck 2 out of 3 tables I was in timed out. The one that didn't had 4 players and ended barely before timeout. One of the tables had 3 stealth bleed, 1 bruise bleed and 1 wall deck.
							
					
					
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				Replied by jhattara on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments			
			
Then again, playing an aggressive S&B deck and encountering sometimes prevalent combat will probably mean the S&B deck getting the proverbial crap kicked out of it and the table probably playing out rather slowlyNext time I will play something more aggressive again! The last two tournaments before that I had played DEM weenie and CEL/POT rush, so thought to take a bit more relaxed deck this time, which ended up not working at all so next time, there will be no timeouts in tables I sit!
I have good experience with this. In one ECQ when I played a malk/!malk S&B deck 2 out of 3 tables I was in timed out. The one that didn't had 4 players and ended barely before timeout. One of the tables had 3 stealth bleed, 1 bruise bleed and 1 wall deck.
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						19 Mar 2012 09:48		 -  19 Mar 2012 09:49		#26214
		by Klaital
	
	
		
			
				
Well I dunno about that, I won the tournament last time with s&b.
Not that s&b is the only kind of aggressive deck there is. Aggressive combat decks are also option.
					
	
	
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments			
			
Then again, playing an aggressive S&B deck and encountering sometimes prevalent combat will probably mean the S&B deck getting the proverbial crap kicked out of it and the table probably playing out rather slowly[Next time I will play something more aggressive again! The last two tournaments before that I had played DEM weenie and CEL/POT rush, so thought to take a bit more relaxed deck this time, which ended up not working at all so next time, there will be no timeouts in tables I sit!
Well I dunno about that, I won the tournament last time with s&b.
Not that s&b is the only kind of aggressive deck there is. Aggressive combat decks are also option.
		Last edit: 19 Mar 2012 09:49  by Klaital.			
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						21 Apr 2012 06:14				#28281
		by Decebalus
	
	
		
			
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Decebalus on topic Re: Timeouts in tournaments			
			
				There is a simple solution to get faster play:
DONT SAVE YOUR PREDATOR.
The most time consuming aspect in VTES is balancing the table. Every player who dies makes a faster game. My grandpredator getting a VP isnt so bad, if i get time to get 2 VPs. Every action you use to not save someone on the table is an aggressive action that makes the game faster.
And my standard answer to my prey or predator, who wants to discuss, why i am so aggressive against them, is: I want to see you dead. It shortens every discussion absolutely.
					DONT SAVE YOUR PREDATOR.
The most time consuming aspect in VTES is balancing the table. Every player who dies makes a faster game. My grandpredator getting a VP isnt so bad, if i get time to get 2 VPs. Every action you use to not save someone on the table is an aggressive action that makes the game faster.
And my standard answer to my prey or predator, who wants to discuss, why i am so aggressive against them, is: I want to see you dead. It shortens every discussion absolutely.
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