Tournament Winning Deck Archive Statitstics

Lönkka wrote:

Ohlmann wrote:

* 2nd Tradition, which mean any clan with Prince can have a pretty though defense. The !Brujah are particulary noteworthy on that (even if the Eurobrujah with also help)

yup, !Brujah indeed have access to numerous Princes...

The idea of the phrase was "the !brujah are particulary underplayed compared to brujah because of that"*. I recon the phrasing wasn't very good.

* 23 !brujah to 67 brujah, a ratio of ~3 camarilla for 1 sabbat, compared to a ratio of ~2 for other clan. !Nosferatu is the second worse with a ratio camarilla / sabbat a bit above 2.5. Unsuprisingly, it's also the two clan without bounce.

The !gangrel are here again against expectation performing relatively well for sabbat.

Jeff,
It appears that there are a few decks that have 5 or more vampires of the same clan, for two clans, and have not been counted as a win for both clans.

It does appear, however, that these decks have one thing in common -- they have a clan which has 6-7 of one clan, which is the winning clan, and "only" 5 of another. Does that fact disqualify them?

If you have specifics, updates can be applied.

If one clan meets the requirement and has more vampires than any other clan, then only that clan is counted. (i.e. 6 for clan1, 5 for clan2, only clan1 is credited with the win)

A deck would only count twice when in the following situations:

clan1	clan2	others
5	5	2+
6	6	0+
7	7	0+

I think non-clan decks should be better scrutinized, because more of them can be asigned to a clan.
For example:

1) Decks with anarch converts, can have 4 of the same clan which if you count the crypt without converts the ratio is over 5 12. Therefore converts should not be included in the clan crypt count to see if they have a ratio of better than 5 12 to be classified as a specific clan.

2) There are many decks based on star vampires, which do not have more than four of them. Many times the deck name is named after them, and most of the strategy of the deck is based around them. For example: Nana Buruku with multiple masters, Lutz deck with vampires with innate political actions & black forest base, Anu decks with multiple archon investigations, many salubri decks with heidelberg & spirit marionette, MPA decks with Huitzilopochtli or Cybele or MPA decks with Aksinya Daclau...

3) Decks which the revolves around clan combo. For example: Every Baron deck should be classified as samedi deck even it has only one Samedi.

4) Camarilla & Sabbat clan crossover decks. There are some decks which show different proportions of both clans and are classified in different ways:
Exammples:

a) 5+ vampires antitribu & camarilla. Classified as both antitribu & clan.
b) 5+ clan or antitribu & 4 or the other. Only classified as one.
c) 4 of both clan ( example 4 Dmnitra,3 Armin 1 Hektor). Classified as non-specific clan.

Dr Mafune, I understand your reasoning, but the line has to be drawn somewhere, you know, even if it seems a bit arbitrary :/
the diversity of crypts is so wide that there must be criterias, and those won"t please everyone. Besides this, it's just an indication of how clans perform in tournament, it does not have to be taken as scientific proof